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Lenny

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #60 on: August 16, 2015, 05:59:00 am »

I have yet to find any confirmation from any other source that any of this is actually true, but...

http://therundownlive.com/oath-keepers-to-arm-50-black-protesters-in-ferguson-with-ar-15s-for-an-epic-rights-flexing-march-2/

Now THAT sounds pretty damn interesting. Kudos to them if it's true, and God grant that it doesn't result in a bloodbath when the police see black people with black guns. (I assume they're smart enough to distribute the rifles without ammo!)
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #61 on: August 16, 2015, 06:40:35 am »

(I assume they're smart enough to distribute the rifles without ammo!)

Why would anyone want to do that? What would be the point of having an expensive black metal club?
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #62 on: August 16, 2015, 06:43:39 am »

Here is the most likely way they would get screwed.  The pigs get one of their stoolie pidgeon druggies with a felony record to be one of the volunteers.  (You know, the same druggies who provide them with "witnesses" for their "search warrants.")  An Oath Keeper hands a gun to a felon and BAM - now the cops have an excuse to kidnap them.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #63 on: August 16, 2015, 07:21:43 am »

An Oath Keeper hands a gun to a felon and BAM - now the cops have an excuse to kidnap them.

Of course... an excellent illustration of why trying to "work within the system" is such a lost cause.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #64 on: August 16, 2015, 08:00:01 am »

(I assume they're smart enough to distribute the rifles without ammo!)

Why would anyone want to do that? What would be the point of having an expensive black metal club?

Handing 50 AR's to 50 black people in Ferguson who (a) have no weapons training, (b) are really, really, really, really pissed off, and (c) are likely to be provoked by cops and even shot at, is a recipe for those people to open fire, or the cops to open fire and claim the protesters shot first--and either way, it'll be a massacre.

In this case, a protest with rifles is a symbolic action, and needs to be managed carefully so it doesn't become a slaughter.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #65 on: August 16, 2015, 08:07:34 am »

In this case, a protest with rifles is a symbolic action, and needs to be managed carefully so it doesn't become a slaughter.

In which case, each rifle should be equipped with an orange chamber safety flag, e.g. http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Universal-Firearm-Chamber-6-Piece/dp/B00CJ7F1T2
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #66 on: August 16, 2015, 08:08:53 am »

Based on what I have observed from the people on the ground in Ferguson, i believe that they are quite adept at identifying the stoolies.  They are also quite good at live streaming interesting things that are happening.  If this does happen, there will be multiple cameras on the action uploading the data in real time.  A video record will exist.

Also, I wouldn't assume that the people that are given the guns will be unfamiliar and untrained.  Plenty of military vets are African-American and an aggressive shot from the police may result in that interesting phenomenon of "machine gun by committee".
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #67 on: August 16, 2015, 08:20:29 am »

It could work out OK if we're talking about veterans (who've passed a PICS check). But it will take rock solid discipline to avoid an incident, and even that may not be enough if a cop decides to mingle with the protesters and fire a starter's pistol.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #68 on: August 16, 2015, 08:26:11 am »

It could work out OK if we're talking about veterans (who've passed a PICS check). But it will take rock solid discipline to avoid an incident, and even that may not be enough if a cop decides to mingle with the protesters and fire a starter's pistol.

When Adam Kokesh attempted to do an armed march in DC, that was his intention.  It was only going to be vets, with DD214 etc. to prove it.

Note:  This does not mean Adam only thinks vets should have guns.  This was just a sensible precaution.  As it turned out, most of the vets I know were even MORE sensible, and pointed out the complete and utter lack of cover on the bridge he intended them to march accross, and said, "nope."

His "march" ended up being a one minute video of him racking a shot gun, for which he spend time in prison.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #69 on: August 16, 2015, 09:01:44 am »

Handing 50 AR's to 50 black people in Ferguson who (a) have no weapons training, (b) are really, really, really, really pissed off, and (c) are likely to be provoked by cops and even shot at, is a recipe for those people to open fire, or the cops to open fire and claim the protesters shot first--and either way, it'll be a massacre.

In this case, a protest with rifles is a symbolic action, and needs to be managed carefully so it doesn't become a slaughter.

Sounds like a stupid idea all the way around. Symbolic actions are so often pretty ridiculous. And such demonstrations are most likely impossible to "manage," carefully or otherwise.

Do you mean to tell me that none of those pissed off people could come up with a gun on their own... or find ammunition? How is anyone going to "manage" that? The MSM and the rulers will gladly USE it, but nobody's going to actually control it. Best then, maybe, to leave it alone... or just try to protect the innocent.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #70 on: August 17, 2015, 08:00:35 am »

Handing 50 AR's to 50 black people in Ferguson who (a) have no weapons training, (b) are really, really, really, really pissed off, and (c) are likely to be provoked by cops and even shot at, is a recipe for those people to open fire, or the cops to open fire and claim the protesters shot first--and either way, it'll be a massacre.

In this case, a protest with rifles is a symbolic action, and needs to be managed carefully so it doesn't become a slaughter.

Sounds like a stupid idea all the way around. Symbolic actions are so often pretty ridiculous. And such demonstrations are most likely impossible to "manage," carefully or otherwise.

Do you mean to tell me that none of those pissed off people could come up with a gun on their own... or find ammunition? How is anyone going to "manage" that? The MSM and the rulers will gladly USE it, but nobody's going to actually control it. Best then, maybe, to leave it alone... or just try to protect the innocent.

 
  Lets just cut to the chase , all it will take is one unthinking/stupid individual to get out of control and the whole tinderbox will go up , and it doesn't matter in the slightest which " side" that individual is on.
 
  It's what the PTB *wants* , gives them the need excuse for martial law and the exercise of yet more control of the populace.
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