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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2015, 02:26:23 pm »
Quote from: Lenny on August 12, 2015, 12:51:09 pm
I'm as anarcho-capitalist as ever; I fully get that homeowners and shopkeepers have a right to expect not to be vandalized, arsonized, and robbed...

But in the context of a city where the corrupt police force has been milking the black population like farm animals, and where they murdered Michael Brown a year ago, it's clear what message is sent when an armed force shows up to keep the black people in line, right?

When I heard that OKers were in Ferguson (and came here to check into that), I entertained the faint hope that they were there to protect protestors from the police.  :shakehead:

They have nice guns.  They don't need to go to Ferguson to commit suicide.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #31 on: August 12, 2015, 02:58:24 pm »
Quote from: Klapton on August 12, 2015, 02:26:23 pm
Quote from: Lenny on August 12, 2015, 12:51:09 pm
When I heard that OKers were in Ferguson (and came here to check into that), I entertained the faint hope that they were there to protect protestors from the police.  :shakehead:

They have nice guns.  They don't need to go to Ferguson to commit suicide.

In that case, would it have been better to stay out of Ferguson, rather than go with the ostensible purpose of suppressing the people who are protesting massive rights violations, and murders, by a bunch of oath-breakers? In what way are the OKers helping matters in this particular instance, by adding to the number of guns pointed at the black people in Ferguson?
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #32 on: August 12, 2015, 04:29:41 pm »
Quote from: Lenny on August 12, 2015, 02:58:24 pm
Quote from: Klapton on August 12, 2015, 02:26:23 pm
Quote from: Lenny on August 12, 2015, 12:51:09 pm
When I heard that OKers were in Ferguson (and came here to check into that), I entertained the faint hope that they were there to protect protestors from the police.  :shakehead:

They have nice guns.  They don't need to go to Ferguson to commit suicide.

In that case, would it have been better to stay out of Ferguson, rather than go with the ostensible purpose of suppressing the people who are protesting massive rights violations, and murders, by a bunch of oath-breakers? In what way are the OKers helping matters in this particular instance, by adding to the number of guns pointed at the black people in Ferguson?

I'm not sure where you see them pointing guns at anyone.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #33 on: August 12, 2015, 06:43:22 pm »
Their stated intent is to protect property owners from black demonstrators. Reread the DOJ report and ask how reasonable it is to conclude that the crying need in Ferguson is to go do something about them black people.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #34 on: August 12, 2015, 07:05:19 pm »
Quote from: Lenny on August 12, 2015, 06:43:22 pm
Their stated intent is to protect property owners from black demonstrators. Reread the DOJ report and ask how reasonable it is to conclude that the crying need in Ferguson is to go do something about them black people.

The one they saved from burning down last year happened to be owned by a black lady.  And yes, there WAS a need to protect those businesses from SOME of "them black people."  We know the police would not and did not.  They only protect themselves, as you well know.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #35 on: August 12, 2015, 08:21:40 pm »
See my point again though. Helping the victims of murder and extortion was somehow seen as a lower priority. A clear message was sent that murdering black people isn't the problem; them getting uppity about it is the problem.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #36 on: August 13, 2015, 05:10:10 am »
Quote from: Lenny on August 12, 2015, 08:21:40 pm
See my point again though. Helping the victims of murder and extortion was somehow seen as a lower priority. A clear message was sent that murdering black people isn't the problem; them getting uppity about it is the problem.

Yyyyyyeeeeaaahhhh...  They said that.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #37 on: August 13, 2015, 05:35:00 am »
In case you are thinking that OK is "siding with the cops rather than protestors," take a look at this video.  This is an interview with a cop who explains how even though OK is breaking no laws, they are trying as hard as they can to find an excuse to arrest them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBzJdYnLn50&feature=player_embedded

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2015, 07:27:40 am »
What message are the black people in Ferguson--who are the real victims in this mess--receiving?

Which crimes, of the many crimes going in right now, prompted the OKers to grab their ARs and saddle up?

(That's one question, not two.)
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2015, 03:46:57 pm »
I hope someone like Elias is able to respond to the interesting questions being presented. :)
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2015, 05:39:50 pm »
Quote from: Lenny on August 13, 2015, 07:27:40 am
What message are the black people in Ferguson--who are the real victims in this mess--receiving?

From whom?  Oath Keepers?  Probably the same message everyone else seems to be getting, courtesy of MSNBC, SPLC, etc.  That Oath Keepers are the door gunners from Apocalypse Now. hollering "Git sum!" while they fire their M60s.

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Which crimes, of the many crimes going in right now, prompted the OKers to grab their ARs and saddle up?

(That's one question, not two.)

They are there to prevent the same thing they prevented last time:  idiots from burning down their own town.  Last year, they kept a business from burning down.  Like, literally.  They were on the roof when someone lobbed a Molotov cocktail up there and they put it out.

The real assholes were the police, who did NOTHING to stop the city from burning.  They huddled in their phalanxes, beat up people who exposed themselves too much, and chased away journalists because they didn't want to be filmed being cowardly pussies.

I get it that you think OK SHOULD have gone in there with the stated intention of lighting up the police if they misbehaved.  If you REALLY think that should have happened, where were YOU?

Complaining on the internet about others who actually do stuff.

/shrug.  I'm not doing much but laying low either, but then I'm not trying to find fault with people who DO decide to actually do something helpful.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #41 on: August 13, 2015, 10:08:35 pm »
It's weird that you condemn the police for failing to crack down on the rioting darkies--but you don't spend many bytes criticizing them for murdering said darkies. Did you REALLY just call for the murderers to get off their asses and get the angry victims back in line? Dafuq?
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #42 on: August 13, 2015, 11:44:59 pm »
Quote from: Lenny on August 13, 2015, 10:08:35 pm
It's weird that you condemn the police for failing to crack down on the rioting darkies--but you don't spend many bytes criticizing them for murdering said darkies. Did you REALLY just call for the murderers to get off their asses and get the angry victims back in line? Dafuq?

 
 
   Look Lenny , I agree with you as to much of the Ferguson situation. The cops have been out of control for decades and their chickens are coming home to roost.
 
  That said perhaps you should give some credence to Klapton's point , exactly WHAT would you have the Oathkeepers do? It's most definitely NOT the time to precipitate an armed confrontation with L.E. agencies that are already on edge and more than a little trigger happy , all that would have accomplished is to bring down *actual* martial law and worsen the situation , and most of those affected would be within the segment of society that both you and I are sympathetic to.
 
  The time is ripe , but it hasn't quite arrived yet.
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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #43 on: August 14, 2015, 04:53:08 am »
Quote from: Lenny on August 13, 2015, 10:08:35 pm
It's weird that you condemn the police for failing to crack down on the rioting darkies--but you don't spend many bytes criticizing them for murdering said darkies. Did you REALLY just call for the murderers to get off their asses and get the angry victims back in line? Dafuq?

Please.  Now you're going to try to twist this around so that I'm supporting the pigs?

I was almost glad to see you back here for a moment, Lenny.  Now I remember what a douche you are.

Go back to your nowhere and fuck yourself.

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Re: The Oathkeepers were in Ferguson?
« Reply #44 on: August 14, 2015, 05:22:10 am »
Darn, Klapton... do we really need to start the name calling and nonsense here. If you want to cuss out Lenny, send him a PM, please.
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