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Yes! Go for it.

24 (75%)

No, leave TMM as it is

6 (18.8%)

No. I have a better idea (details below)

1 (3.1%)

So THAT's where the old coot went....

1 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: March 05, 2015, 06:56:24 am

[penguinsscareme]

Hiya PSM. So glad to see you're still out there. Nice coincidence to catch you on a rare visit.

It's great to see you as well, ch. It really is.

[Moonbeam]

Well HOT DANG!  We got ourselves a gen-u-ine discussion.

I am not being a wise-guy, I am sincerely curious when I ask, what exactly is the genuine discussion in your estimate?

[Silver]

I have always treasured the honesty, clarity, and humility of PSM's posts.  I miss him, and am always happy to see him return.

I share his opinion of mouse.  I tried to be tactful with my words, with limited success.  Tact is not my long suit.  She's been on ignore a very long time.  I have no doubt that she means well, but I don't enjoy the unending torrent of context-free bad news.

Recently I started a thread about some outrage or other, and it was merged with mouse's post on the same subject.  I didn't see it because I don't read those threads.  I've decided not to respond to them.  But now it seems that I have.  I don't blame the mods, merging threads is one of the many little tasks they do to keep this place sane and useful.

So now I won't offer any more commentary on topical outrages, because I don't care to lend my voice to a river of garbage.

That's chilling of speech in action.  Not free speech; this is private property, and the dynamics of this place leads me to place a rather broad swath of topics off limits.  It's no different than keeping away from certain topics with business associates, or in-laws, or family.  But it is a change here, and a loss for me.

I'm not the first to experience this, and mouse is not the first or only voice to drive people who actually contributed thoughts written down for discussion away from this place.

I think PSM's points about social media are also spot on.  Like Moonbeam, I find services tailored to short attention spans uninteresting.  One of things I value about this place is the old threads and the knowledge within them.  I find it educational and entertaining to see how some of those mini essays have stood the test of time.  That's is so difficult as to be nearly impossible on Facebook, and mining twits for wisdom is a fool's errands.  Our society has elevated snark to an art form, and forsaken thought and knowledge.

I've been coming here less of late, and I rather expect that trend to continue.  I'm not going to stomp off in a huff, but rather fade away.

It's too bad, but all good things must come to an end.  My life is rich, and the good things I learned here, the friends I made, the fun I had will always be with me.  Like PSM I'm older than when I joined, both harder and softer, and letting go is one of the lessons of old age.

Peace,

Silver

[jamie]

Sad.  It is all so inconsequential.  I don't think mouse has driven anyone away. Where is the proof for this assertion?

 The people with giant egos have driven people away if blame has to be assigned.  The people who write what they no doubt perceive to be elegant thought pieces and then sit back to bask in the praise.  They also brook no disagreement and are more than a little condescending.


Whatever anyone says, when you name someone and write a highly critical piece on that person, that is a personal attack. 

 The first "tactful" objection didn't work.  Then  someone else makes a  personal attack for the same reason, so now it is safe and good to  pile on. Typical.

So what I am getting here is that mouse must immediately cease posting what silver considers "the unending torrent of bad news" and then "chilling of speech"  will  end.

That is funny.

[Silver]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I wrote that I don't enjoy mouse's posts and have her on ignore.  I wrote that I will change my behavior.

You wrote that "mouse should immediately cease posting what silver considers "the unending torrent of bad news" ."  I didn't write that. You did.

No one has attacked mouse as a person.  No one has said that she is awful, or has bad intentions.  Saying that you don't enjoy what someone posts is not a personal attack.

I don't like jamie's putting words in my mouth.

Jamie is a butthurt moron who will never understand the difference between discussion of personal preferences and attacks on others.

That last sentence is a personal attack.  The one before it is not.  See the difference?

[DiabloLoco]

 

[Klapton Isgod]

I don't think that either PSM or Silver's criticisms were mean-spirited.  I think they were honest.  Could that have hurt her feelings?  Probably.  That's unfortunate.  But when I think of "personal attacks" on a forum like this, I usually think of someone resorting to name calling when they are losing an argument.  Clearly that is not what has happened here.

[MamaLiberty]

Very interesting... Of the poll options above, one stands empty... zero votes.  The one that says "Yes! I'd like to help" ---

Wonder why that is.

[FDD]

Very interesting... Of the poll options above, one stands empty... zero votes.  The one that says "Yes! I'd like to help" ---

Wonder why that is.

Maybe because no one feels that what they have to say will be listen to, or they have any control over what is done here.

As was pointed out earlier, this is a open but private forum. So it is up to the forum owner to do as they want with it.

[slidemansailor]

Help how?

There are plenty of people here who would help TMM if needs were apparent and within their abilities. The open-ended question had no hints as to what form that might take.

[RVM45]

That's me!

I'm a Lightweight presence on TMM and couldn't imagine anything that I could contribute to help--short of an occasional post and a rare referral...

{Just not that many folks looking for a New Forum to Join--at least among my Acquaintances...}


.....RVM45       

[MamaLiberty]

Help how?

There are plenty of people here who would help TMM if needs were apparent and within their abilities. The open-ended question had no hints as to what form that might take.

I don't think anyone has _the_ answer to that. Don't think anyone should, really. We can each answer it for ourselves. But it helps sometimes if the question is asked, don't you think? Sort of easy for folks to sit around waiting for someone else to "do something," or worse, then complain about it when someone does do something. "Help" doesn't mean just financial help either. The world is full of things to talk about. It seems sad that the prepping, gulching, food and so many other areas at TMM are virtually ignored by everyone these days. Why is that, do you suppose? It might "help" TMM a great deal if some of those areas were revitalized.

I've noticed a great deal more activity here at TMM since Elias asked the first question. Seems to me TMM needs more questions, and let the answers speak for themselves. And all questions do not have to relate to politics or mindwar current events.

Not to mention that a lot of questions don't HAVE good answers, or at least not yet. Doesn't make it something that shouldn't be discussed. How else do we arrive at answers? Will mankind be able to colonize the moon or Mars in another hundred years? Beats me, but I like to talk about it.

[jamie]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I wrote that I don't enjoy mouse's posts and have her on ignore.  I wrote that I will change my behavior.

You wrote that "mouse should immediately cease posting what silver considers "the unending torrent of bad news" ."  I didn't write that. You did.

No one has attacked mouse as a person.  No one has said that she is awful, or has bad intentions.  Saying that you don't enjoy what someone posts is not a personal attack.

I don't like jamie's putting words in my mouth.

Jamie is a butthurt moron who will never understand the difference between discussion of personal preferences and attacks on others.

That last sentence is a personal attack.  The one before it is not.  See the difference?

Well silver holier than thou and smarter than thou people are a dime a dozen.

[jamie]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I wrote that I don't enjoy mouse's posts and have her on ignore.  I wrote that I will change my behavior.

You wrote that "mouse should immediately cease posting what silver considers "the unending torrent of bad news" ."  I didn't write that. You did.

No one has attacked mouse as a person.  No one has said that she is awful, or has bad intentions.  Saying that you don't enjoy what someone posts is not a personal attack.

I don't like jamie's putting words in my mouth.

Jamie is a butthurt moron who will never understand the difference between discussion of personal preferences and attacks on others.

That last sentence is a personal attack.  The one before it is not.  See the difference?

You wrote that "mouse should immediately cease posting what silver considers "the unending torrent of bad news" ."  I didn't write that. You did.

No, this is what I wrote, you took the quote out of context.

So what I am getting here is that mouse must immediately cease posting what silver considers "the unending torrent of bad news" and then "chilling of speech"  will  end.


See the difference?

[Klapton Isgod]

Very interesting... Of the poll options above, one stands empty... zero votes.  The one that says "Yes! I'd like to help" ---

Wonder why that is.

I don't want to make promises I can't keep.