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Does the membership of TMM want to turn Elias loose to recruit new members?

Yes! Go for it.
- 24 (75%)
No, leave TMM as it is
- 6 (18.8%)
No. I have a better idea (details below)
- 1 (3.1%)
So THAT's where the old coot went....
- 1 (3.1%)

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2014, 03:45:29 pm »

ML, allow me to ask if you are familiar with the term I used in my previous post -- "MindWar"?

Not really. I've read a lot of your stuff, of course, and have an idea where you're coming from, but I've never been much interested in that sort of thing. I like my life simple and local. :)

Interesting reply. When you say "I like my...", that part of you which is represented by the word "I" includes and suggests as fact that you (the "I") have a mind which can and does register consciously a sense of self, (that which "likes"), wouldn't you agree?

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2014, 03:56:47 pm »

Interesting reply. When you say "I like my...", that part of you which is represented by the word "I" includes and suggests as fact that you (the "I") have a mind which can and does register consciously a sense of self, (that which "likes"), wouldn't you agree?

Probably need to take this discussion to PM, or another thread. :)
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2014, 04:24:38 pm »

Interesting reply. When you say "I like my...", that part of you which is represented by the word "I" includes and suggests as fact that you (the "I") have a mind which can and does register consciously a sense of self, (that which "likes"), wouldn't you agree?

Probably need to take this discussion to PM, or another thread. :)

I disagree, ML. I think that you should answer that question right here on this thread, as so also should everyone else reading here. I'll answer first -- Yes, I have a mind, and I'm aware that there are forces using the powers of government to alter my natural perceptions, which is of course why there should be a Mental Militia, imo.

We're talking about a Mental Militia here, and the root of that has to do with the Mind. I am trying to get you to admit that the very instrument by which you register your existence in this world is called the Mind.

There is a purpose why I'm  wanting to establish that point. A mind which is in willful denial of the fact that a government employs people to shape the perception of minds in the public at large is of course likely to deny that MindWar could possibly affect one's own mind in one's own life. If that happens, one has already lost on the psychological battlefield of MindWar. The docility of the American public right now is evidence that mind control in mass is working for the very people who want to take your guns, regulate your behavior, control social norms, lay down rules and regulations, require permits and licenses, and tax the fruits of everyone's labor.

I would like an answer to my original question, but if you don't want to answer it that is okay. I'm not just speaking with you, but with the whole thread. I would like to learn how many on this thread ever think about thinking, about what a thought is, about how a thought affects one (or does not affect one), and many other things about thought. Isn't that included in what a Mental Militia should, er, keep in mind? ;)

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2014, 04:35:30 pm »

Be interesting to see what others think.  Seems to me you've got some serious assumptions...

Elias, this seems to me to be a "have you stopped beating your wife" question, and I'm surprised at you.  But I have no intention of trying to answer it here. 
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2014, 04:48:21 pm »

Be interesting to see what others think.  Seems to me you've got some serious assumptions...

Elias, this seems to me to be a "have you stopped beating your wife" question, and I'm surprised at you.  But I have no intention of trying to answer it here.

But ML, you just did answer it. Thank you.

And I'll agree -- it will be interesting to see what others think.

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2014, 05:42:53 pm »

Be interesting to see what others think.  Seems to me you've got some serious assumptions...

Elias, this seems to me to be a "have you stopped beating your wife" question, and I'm surprised at you.  But I have no intention of trying to answer it here.

But ML, you just did answer it. Thank you.

And I'll agree -- it will be interesting to see what others think.

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I'm pretty sure that everybody here knows that "there are forces using the powers of government to alter our natural perceptions". Propaganda, selecting what stories to air or not air in the media, what wording to use whilst describing certain things/events....Hell! Even facial expressions! All designed to get the people to think a certain way. I know that this is a very abridged version, but I'm pretty sure that it's much like any other psy-op.

In fact, in an earlier post within this very thread, I stated this in a response to one of ML's comments-

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You have a point there. Active participation is more important than lots of new members. Although....the lookieloos are still able to learn without participating. If we can get people to really THINK about things, instead of letting everybody else do the thinking FOR them, we are still implementing the mission, with or without their active participation.

I don't think I have ever heard the term "MindWar", but I, and I'm sure most if not ALL of the members here, are familiar with the concept.

Where our thoughts might differ, are what/who these "forces" ARE, and what their objective IS.
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2014, 06:22:50 pm »


    We used to have a pretty good group around here.  How did the forum attract those folks?


Claire Wolfe


Claire did attract her fair share of members, but we also had a little different atmosphere around the place.  While we certainly had our share of debate and arguments, there was also a lot of sharing of great ideas and a feeling of camaraderie.  That doesn't seem to be the case any more.  Where this once was a place for learning and exposure to new ideas, this has changed.   Too often the posts are long winded dumps of bile and cynicism.  How does this improve anything?  Why would new members want to join that?  People looking for ideas addressing how to prepare for the future, or cope with what may come will just pass on by.  People who don't like it are leaving.  Who can blame them?
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2014, 09:22:17 pm »

5 pages and growing, a lot of people having a discussion- awesome!  Cynicism/scepticism are often confused, I will live with either since they both question what is.......and yes a lot of the posts are very dogmatic, very long and some time seem like a diatribe.  I have always found the questioning ones basic ethics is always painful or at least painful and sometime one has to take a break from that.  I figured that is what Claire was doing, or finding her tolerance gone she was retiring........

I don't understand where the beating your wife issue came from, he was demanding an answer for the sake of the argument, he respected her refusal after making the request respecting her surprising method of saying it will not be answered........

Things have been boring around here, and I really would like to see more popcorn gallery worthy discussion.

The way I see it is that it is time to make a case to the police that the "Law and Order" they owe loyalty to by their choice is being violated by the very system that once was a epitome of that concept.  It has turned from a lighter-side Adam-12 into a darker-side Gestapo.   I think a lot of the oath-keepers are not realizing that tolerating the order to disarm the guy in KC is very much in color of what the redcoats were doing prior to the war for independence.  If they were thinking and had free unmanipulated minds, the whole department would have gone on strike.  Those scabs willing to stay would most definitely been the bad cops deserving of whatever resistance the oath-keepers chose to put up.  That is the game here, the real evil is hiding behind innocents.  The darkside wants the people disarmed, cooperating in that is most definitely wrong.  An ethical officer would have talked with the other officers and immediately gone on strike in support of the constitution.........the light-side.  The armed citizens would be able to take care of themselves quite adequately, maybe even finalizing a lot of the crime stories...........
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #68 on: December 10, 2014, 05:56:19 am »

Just to be clear, Rarick - my answer to Elias had nothing at all to do with Claire.

And Elias, I have no idea how that answers your questions.
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #69 on: December 10, 2014, 02:04:43 pm »

Just to be clear, Rarick - my answer to Elias had nothing at all to do with Claire.

And Elias, I have no idea how that answers your questions.

Well, Dear Friend,
To begin with, there was only one question. I had posited thusly:

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When you say "I like my...", that part of you which is represented by the word "I" includes and suggests as fact that you (the "I") have a mind which can and does register consciously a sense of self, (that which "likes"), wouldn't you agree?

I asked the question because I wanted to begin at the beginning while considering the general dullness of the forums here. This place is called a "Mental" militia, so of course it strikes me as being necessary that the people here value "mentality", and openly admit that the field of, properties of, nature of, characteristics of, and ultimately effects of "mentality" are central to activity here.  So I was trying to establish the basic fact that individual humans each possess a subjective mind. If we cannot even establish on the record here that each person commenting here has a mind, we may have difficulty approaching more elaborate premises regarding personal responsibility for the content of one's mind, and, yes, how we might defend our minds against psychological assault from outside our individual minds. So all I was asking you was if you could agree that you have a mind -- but perhaps you misunderstood my question, or felt uncomfortable with my question, and instead of confessing that yes, indeed, you do have a mind, you suggested that we take the discussion about "mind" to a private format, to which I disagreed.

So my next question is *why* did you want to avoid admitting you have a mind out here in the public section of this site? Is it because you are not happy to discuss the nature of "mind"? Are you concerned that I might go off on a tangent about mental states, mental manipulation, mind control, group-mind-vs-individual-mind theories? I've no idea. Generally, when an Admin recommends that someone take a conversation to pm, it is an indication that the Admin senses that a disagreement might move toward open flaming etc., yes? So it is a passing curiosity for me -- why would you want my question to be directed to a private discussion?  I am just asking, as it leaves me baffled.

I really can't go forward until TMM is willing to admit that this place is named The Mental Militia, and that the very name itself indicates that members here value mentality, and that ownership of one's mind is a basic prerequisite, and that personal responsibility for the structure, nature, and content of one's individual mind is the door to personal freedom, and that no "militia" ever existed outside the purpose of obtaining and maintaining "freedom".

If we can get that much established, then we can talk about personal responsibility for the content of one's mind, which indeed affects everything from one's perception to one's moods to one's philosophy, and ultimately to one's ability to live free in a control-freak-government-run world. Claire has written a book entitled "Think Free To Live Free". As one of her original Freedom Outlaws, and a long-standing member in The Mental Militia, I feel perfectly qualified, and even authorized, to talk about the mind here on these boards. Your reaction to my request that you admit that you have a mind appeared to be defensive simply because you anticipated that I was going to sneak one in on you in some way. You have notions, as you had stated on this thread, that, having read some of my "stuff" I might get into abstracts and psycho-symbology and start talking about the relationship between spirit, soul, and psyche, or some such vague triviality, and that appears to have made you uncomfortable. ML, you don't need to be uncomfortable speaking with me -- we've been friends since the year 2000, when I drove from Memphis, Tennessee to Lobo's and Sunni's LRT conclave in Utah. I'm assuming that you know that I respect you and your good work in the cause of liberty, and that I love you as a sister in the fight for freedom. I have no interest in harming or attacking you, and never have. If I happened at some time to let you know "your slip is showing", that's only what a brother would do for his sister, is it not? And in fact, it would be a failure on my part if I did not tell my sister her slip was showing before we entered the church, or the movie theater's lobby, or wherever we were going in public. So I would like for you to question yourself about why you suggested that we take the discussion to a private place, when the only topic was whether or not you would agree that each of us has a mind. I don't need an answer to that, just am offering you a chance to examine your personal mind by questioning yourself about what motive existed behind your request that we not discuss it here on this thread.

I know I'm weird. I am not making any demand of anyone here. I am trying to find out if this place wants to die a slow death of disinterest, or if it wants to accept a new challenge to actually become a "Mental" militia, which would not only study the psychology of an individual mind but also of a group mind, for purposes of defending the quite-spiritual concepts surrounding "freedom".  If our general discussion forum operates like a rolling news wire regurgitating incessant streams of headlines which reveal incessant attacks on liberty and freedom, that's all fine and dandy so long as people want it -- but if members here want to rebuild this place so that it's exciting to come here and get involved in projects which are "mental" in nature and which lead to direct "action" in the consensus reality which some call the "real world", then something about this place could stand a change, a move into newer directions which would offer a sense of involvement in something more than mere chit-chat.

That is what I'm trying to find out here. To me, it does not matter either way, although I would like to see the name "The Mental Militia" establish itself in ways which impact the public mentality "out there in the real world". But if people here do not want to do that, so be it. I'll wait until the place dries up due to lack of interest, then shut it down and go build a website by the same name where I can then combat "MindWar". And for all who are reading here, "MindWar" is a reality we'd be wise to admit is out there working diligently to enslave this world. It is a Department of Defense operation which wants proactively to enslave all of us, even those of us who live private lives in rural sanctuaries of seeming security. It is real, it has a name, and it's busy as heck all day every day affecting the perception of human beings. The people behind that program are named across Twentieth Century history, and they control this nation's monetary system, this nation's education and entertainment system, this nation's taxation system, this nation's press and media institutions, this nation's Intelligence and Military systems, and this nation's social and cultural institutions. For all who think that anyone can isolate oneself from the effects of that behemoth, can prep and stock up on food and water and the means to guard such, and have no need to unite as the Constitutional "Militia of the several States", I've got some not-so-good news. MindWar will come to every cabin in every part of rural America unless we muster enough people who still are willing to claim ownership of their minds and stop it. Is this the place to launch that counter-offensive, or not? That is what I'm trying to find out here. If not, I've got my own website where I can launch it. But wherever proves to be the best venue to launch it, I'm going to do so. As you have placed a poll here, we'll soon enough see if this place will rise to the challenge and become once again a "Mental Militia" or a "Mental Malaise".

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #70 on: December 10, 2014, 03:11:32 pm »

Just a heads up...  A forum member at Oath Keepers PMed me asking about anarchism.  I gave them a brief answer, but also directed them here.

Please be nice.
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« Reply #71 on: December 10, 2014, 03:33:51 pm »

...should answer that question right here on this thread, as so also should everyone else reading here.

Well, since you asked....  :laugh:

Dear Elias,

Oh wow! I am excited that you brought this up as I have had something on my mind (sorry!) for the last few months that I was trying to figure how to broach with the forum. More on that later.

It is often said that “idle hands are the Devil’s play.” I don’t wonder if it would be more apt to say, “An idle mind is the Devil’s playground.” Of course there is the well-known, “garbage in, garbage out” that I think pertains to the physical and mental levels.

Dr. Laura would often tell her female callers to do something nice for their husbands even though the wives didn’t feel like it. [The callers usually complained about their husbands not being “romantic” enough. She would ask them what they were doing to be romantic?!] They would call back and share their experience. Even though they thought their husbands should initiate something “romantic” and they were miffed that he didn’t, when they began to do “romantic things” - even though they didn’t feel like doing so, their attitude began to change from resentment to wanting to be kind and “romantic” themselves. Was it the power of suggestion? Experiencing a different perspective? I don’t know. I just always thought it was interesting that it seemed to be an action changing the heart/mind. Or did it really start in the mind?!

When I was in high school there was a “sex” discussion we attended our senior year. Now mind you I attended a private Southern Baptist Christian school and because I was a bit of a rebellious teen I just assumed I would know more than the guest speaker. He said something I didn’t know, and it has never left my memory: “the most powerful sexual organ you have is your mind.”

I recently read (I apologize that I cannot reference it) how there are frequencies if you will, that the military/government have been working on that e/affect the brain. When someone hears a sound they can usually detect from which direction it came from and how far away the sound originated. This *weapon* they are developing makes the listener believe that the sounds/voices are originating from inside their mind.

The “mind issue” has really been in my thinking on a spiritual level lately. Matthew 22:37 tell us: Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’…” Some unbelievers think this is so Believers can be turned into mindless zombies to do the bidding of whoever has the bigger bully pulpit. I firmly believe it is to guard our minds from enemies of God.

Where does guilt or resentment or unforgiveness or jealousy take root: the heart or the mind? How about doubt, cynicism or paranoia or selfishness?

This is the topic that has been on my mind that I have wanted to share, but wasn’t sure how to go about it. There is an article posted over at The Vigilant Citizen regarding the TV series True Detective. Here is blurb about the article: “True Detective” is a TV series about the investigation of satanic ritual murders carried out by mysterious men. While the season ended in a rather straight-forward matter, the plethora of symbols and references peppered throughout the episodes send out profound messages about forces subtly influencing society. We’ll look at the deeper meaning of the first season of “True Detective”.

In order to understand my point and in a strange way perhaps this ties into your notion about MindWar, the article needs to be read (there are spoilers about the series). http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/deeper-meaning-true-detective-season-one/

My initial reaction after reading the above article – much the same way I react to most evil, was a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. However, things just kind of started making sense to me in regards to those upper elite Masonites, Illuminates and One Worlders, and why God says it’s so important to guard your mind: these evil doers get off on causing ordinary folks fear. And I decided no more! I will not partake of their sick rituals. I will not give evil my fear.

A few weeks ago my twins befriended a little boy about their age. Near the start of my conversation with the Dad, he mentioned he graduated Rhodes college. The way it was brought up, and how quickly raised a red flag for me. I had read stuff in the past about that school being for a certain kind of mindset, shall we say? We had a lively and easy going discussion about all kinds of things, and my kids enjoyed playing with his son. Fast forward to this past weekend when I was out with my eldest son I passed by a jeep that had Rhodes Graduate sprawled across the rear window with a bunch of strange looking triangles underneath that. Further down on the back there were Masonic and Illuminati symbols. It made me flashback to meeting that Dad a few weeks ago. Maybe he mentioned Rhodes the way he did in the hopes I would give him the secret handshake or nod or wink or code word or whatever. The point is, at the time I knew something was “off” and if I hadn’t filled my mind with the truth I would have been none the wiser.

I might be waaaaaaaay off base here in trying to associate my thoughts with where you are coming from, but the bottom line for me is that I believe that there has been a war - and there is still yet more coming warfare, for control of our minds.

I am able to withstand the proverbial poop that is thrown my way - simply because of my faith - because I know what is true and good. And no amount of insults will change my love for God – because I love truth and goodness and He is all those things and so much more to me. I know you are not a Believer youself, but I also know that you have no problems with my holding steadfast to my faith. I mention God because I believe He set me on this path to find truth so I could 1) protect my mind; 2) reinforce my heart with love and compassion; and 3) share my findings with others. He is the One Who stoked the fires of my wanting to learn and grow. He is the One Who helped me weed out the lies from the truth. He is the One Who ultimately led me here, to this very forum.

It used to make me feel like “chopped liver” whenever someone mentioned how the forum used to be, or how much fun it used to be, or how all the good people have left or things along that vein. It doesn’t bother me anymore because I realized that I never had that yardstick and I just accepted this forum for what it is: a motley crew of personalities who share the same desire I have which is to live as free as possible, in any and every capacity! I have no desire to participate in other forums –if only because my role and responsibility as a homeschooling mom precludes it. But, the truth is I am used to the peculiarities and the qualities and the personas that participate here.

I would love to see a certain “group” of people participate here: moms and dads who are in positions to influence and guide their children. If there is indeed warfare for the hearts and minds of people, who do you think the powers that be are aiming for? Exactly.

I apologize for the length – I didn’t fully appreciate how much I needed to share until I sat down to type. Thank you for allowing me a place to go to with my complex thoughts, jumbled emotions and unique perspective. I might get frustrated at times with some posts, but this is still a place that is comfortably familiar –a place I call home.
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #72 on: December 10, 2014, 03:35:35 pm »

I'd love to see more Mental Militia and less the-sky-is-falling-bad-news here. I'm not working on my mind much these days. I work WITH it for my work, but I spend my spiritual time working on my heart, quieting my mind as much as possible.
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« Reply #73 on: December 10, 2014, 03:42:57 pm »

I'd love to see more Mental Militia and less the-sky-is-falling-bad-news here. I'm not working on my mind much these days. I work WITH it for my work, but I spend my spiritual time working on my heart, quieting my mind as much as possible.

That was great, Bill!

I hope this doesn't induce eye-rolling to the point of injury for you or anyone else... One of my favorite Bible verses to meditate upon that provides me peace is Psalm 46:10: "Be still and know that I am God."
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #74 on: December 10, 2014, 04:12:03 pm »



It used to make me feel like “chopped liver” whenever someone mentioned how the forum used to be, or how much fun it used to be, or how all the good people have left or things along that vein. It doesn’t bother me anymore because I realized that I never had that yardstick and I just accepted this forum for what it is: a motley crew of personalities who share the same desire I have which is to live as free as possible, in any and every capacity! I have no desire to participate in other forums –if only because my role and responsibility as a homeschooling mom precludes it. But, the truth is I am used to the peculiarities and the qualities and the personas that participate here.

 I might get frustrated at times with some posts, but this is still a place that is comfortably familiar –a place I call home.
I agree. I did not come here to TMM until 2011. Since then, I have grown tremendously. I too lack the "yardstick". I have no clue what it was like before then. TMM has been roughly the same in my tenure here. Just as MB explained it- "a motley crew of personalities who share the same desire I have which is to live as free as possible, in any and every capacity". The only thing that has changed is less new members, and less member participation. That's why I brought this whole thing up in the first place.

I came here to learn. I do TRY to contribute. Not sure if I have been successful at that, but.....well...I try. :dontknow: I come here at least once/day and read every single new post. I too, consider TMM to be my online home. I don't want to see it die.
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