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Yes! Go for it.

24 (75%)

No, leave TMM as it is

6 (18.8%)

No. I have a better idea (details below)

1 (3.1%)

So THAT's where the old coot went....

1 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: March 05, 2015, 06:56:24 am

[MamaLiberty]

I don't want to make promises I can't keep.

Excellent idea. I make that my own policy too. Changed my vote to reflect the greater reality. I am trying to help.

[Mr. Bill]

Very interesting... Of the poll options above, one stands empty... zero votes.  The one that says "Yes! I'd like to help" ---

Wonder why that is.

Well, probably because the poll question is "Does the membership of TMM want to turn Elias loose to recruit new members?" and if that specifically means recruiting Oath Keepers members for TMM (my interpretation), then nobody wants to assist with that.  Personaly, I gave up on Oath Keepers last summer when they decided to align themselves with the anti-immigrant movement.

As for helping TMM Forum, I count 28 different people who are trying to help by posting their thoughts in this thread.

I have to say I am extremely annoyed by Elias's response to PSM.  Yes, it was rude for PSM to say "Mouse sucks", and he has since apologized for that.  But several people have indicated they are turned off by the large number of doom-and-gloom posts here.  PSM spelled out in detail exactly what the problem is.  And no, it's not mouse specifically, but the overwhelming number of threads relating to how terrible everything is.  Please don't shoot the messenger just because he was blunt with his language.

Yes, as has been pointed out repeatedly, we can ignore threads that don't interest us, and we can even use the "Ignore" function on specific members.

But guess what happens when a member realizes he's ignoring the majority of what gets posted here?

[MamaLiberty]

Well, probably because the poll question is "Does the membership of TMM want to turn Elias loose to recruit new members?"

Of course. I just found it interesting that so many said "yes," but nobody seemed to entertain any notion to help bring it about. Just a question, with no thought of censure or blame. It just struck me as curious, that's all.

and if that specifically means recruiting Oath Keepers members for TMM (my interpretation), then nobody wants to assist with that.

Ok... but I can't recall anyone else voting yes saying that they don't want to assist with that. Did I miss something?

Personaly, I gave up on Oath Keepers 

I think I've made it clear that I don't hold out any hope of the "Oathkeepers" doing much to solve the problems in this country, but I don't have any problems with some of them coming to TMM and learning what people here think. Again, I really don't expect to see very many, and I don't expect but a very few to stick around. What harm could it do?

As for helping TMM Forum, I count 28 different people who are trying to help by posting their thoughts in this thread.

Yes, and that's terrific. I wasn't saying nobody was helping... Just asked a simple question that seems to have struck a nerve. Wonder why?

I have to say I am extremely annoyed by Elias's response to PSM.  Yes, it was rude for PSM to say "Mouse sucks", and he has since apologized for that.

Have to say I was surprised by both of those responses. I think we're all on edge these days. I know I'm not at my optimistic best.

But several people have indicated they are turned off by the large number of doom-and-gloom posts here.  PSM spelled out in detail exactly what the problem is.  And no, it's not mouse specifically, but the overwhelming number of threads relating to how terrible everything is.

Yes... it is hard to see how terrible everything is constantly. We talked about this, specifically with mouse, some time ago. Remember "outrage fatigue?" But I wonder if you think that ignoring all of it is a better thing? Seems to me that a lot of it sparks discussion - whether some individuals think it worthy or not somehow. But it also gives people a safe (should be) to vent and share their frustrations with things they can't control. I can only imagine myself being stuck in a country where most people do not share my views or respect my right to be armed, etc. And if mouse or anyone gets carried away, we have plenty of opportunity to discuss that and redirect them.

But guess what happens when a member realizes he's ignoring the majority of what gets posted here?

What happens? I'd assume they might be motivated to start new threads that reflect what they thought important. Wouldn't that be a better response than just going away... I mean, if they really thought TMM should be relevant and healthy?

[Klapton Isgod]

But guess what happens when a member realizes he's ignoring the majority of what gets posted here?

What happens? I'd assume they might be motivated to start new threads that reflect what they thought important. Wouldn't that be a better response than just going away... I mean, if they really thought TMM should be relevant and healthy?

I think you missed the point of this particular question.  When someone realizes they are ignoring most of what is posted somewhere, they stop wasting their time going there.

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[penguinsscareme]

What's worse, my rude reply, or the hundreds and hundreds of people whose reply has been their silence, if not absence? Christ, at least I'm still here trying to give a damn.

I rest my case.

[MamaLiberty]

I think you missed the point of this particular question.  When someone realizes they are ignoring most of what is posted somewhere, they stop wasting their time going there.

No, I didn't miss it. Of course that's an option, and perfectly valid. I would have to assume that the people who go away, however, don't care that much about TMM then. And that's a perfectly valid thing too. Just hard to understand people who want it both ways...

[bennie]

Don't put words in my mouth.

I wrote that I don't enjoy mouse's posts and have her on ignore.  I wrote that I will change my behavior.

You wrote that "mouse should immediately cease posting what silver considers "the unending torrent of bad news" ."  I didn't write that. You did.

No one has attacked mouse as a person.  No one has said that she is awful, or has bad intentions.  Saying that you don't enjoy what someone posts is not a personal attack.

I don't like jamie's putting words in my mouth.

Jamie is a butthurt moron who will never understand the difference between discussion of personal preferences and attacks on others.

That last sentence is a personal attack.  The one before it is not.  See the difference?

This is how Silver gets away with calling another's wife a prostitute. This how Silver gets away with being the biggest troll on this board. This is how Silver blames one like mouse and then hides behind ZAP.

Silver is a phony (that is a personal attack of truth). Fade away already like you keep saying you will.

What's worse, my rude reply, or the hundreds and hundreds of people whose reply has been their silence, if not absence? Christ, at least I'm still here trying to give a damn.

I rest my case.

I'm sorry that you are so sad and angry that you pick on mouse who hasn't done anything to you.

_______________________________________________________________________________________
Elias,

TMM belongs to you. Quit the charade and do with it what you want. THE MENTAL MILITIA is a great name! If I were you I'd want to use it just like you do. There are so few posters anymore you ought to re-birth it while there is time for CPR to be effective. I mean this with tender sincerity for a place I have liked a very long time.

[DiabloLoco]

Ok. I guess that I will chime in now. I feel that the infighting about this is silly, so I'll offer a solution. TMM and it's members should not try to exclude or demonize it's allies. While I understand those with that are critical of the constant tidal wave of posts from Mouse, (have you ever visited AnCaps Super-Forum? ) I do not feel the need to exclude or impede her efforts, so here is my attempt at suggesting a solution- Area X. I'm not suggesting that George's posts be deleted or anything, but there is an area of TMM that gets NO use. There have been no new posts there in 6 YEARS! Surely we could revamp that area for mouse. I don't know. Maybe I'm being an idiot, but to me it makes sense.

[bennie]

Diablo, I think that just might be a good idea.

[MamaLiberty]

Area X. I'm not suggesting that George's posts be deleted or anything, but there is an area of TMM that gets NO use. There have been no new posts there in 6 YEARS! Surely we could revamp that area for mouse. I don't know. Maybe I'm being an idiot, but to me it makes sense.

Mouse isn't the only one who posts "scare story" news items. How about a new section just for "Scare Story News?" I can do that.

The thing that bothers me is that there are vast areas at TMM going unused. How many posts lately in gulching, or almost any other category? The things mouse posts would hardly be remarkable if the TMM community was still eagerly talking about all those other things.  Why don't we concentrate on making the place more viable and active in a lot of areas, rather than picking on someone who is at least trying to contribute?

[Who...me?]

I personally do not see the problem.  Like mouse or do not,  read her posts or do not, read ANY post here or do not.  I do not feel that she needs a special place to post.  George had a special George place for a reason, mouse does not IMHO.  If you do not like what she, or anyone here, posts then simply do not read them.

[DiabloLoco]

I personally do not see the problem.  Like mouse or do not,  read her posts or do not, read ANY post here or do not.  I do not feel that she needs a special place to post.  George had a special George place for a reason, mouse does not IMHO.  If you do not like what she, or anyone here, posts then simply do not read them.

I was just trying to offer a solution to quell the infighting. It's silly, and detrimental to our agenda. I don't want mouse to feel put-out or alienated, but I don't want to lose the members that produce original thought provoking posts either. There has to be a balance somewhere. My offering for a solution may not be the best option, but it is the only one that I could think of right now. It's little arguments like this that chase away quality current members, potential members, and keeps lookieloos from participating.

[MamaLiberty]

It's little arguments like this that chase away quality current members, potential members, and keeps lookieloos from participating.

I'd say anyone who is put off by honest discussion like this is pretty superficial and has little to offer anyway. Original writing has to come from somewhere, and current events are most certainly a very good place to start. I think mouse generally offers a great deal of original thinking when she posts things. She's questioning, as well as ranting and venting. How is that less worthy?

What would you consider worthy "original" material?

[Tahn L.]

I guess I will weigh in since I don’t want to be thought of as not caring or unwilling to participate.

I was off the entire web for about 9 months last year but I felt the need to return and somehow help in the fight for freedom. I came back here and to Claire’s blog and a few others but mostly here. I still can only get on for a few hours a day because of limited solar capacity.

I was on TCF before it switched. I missed the old forum but came to love and respect the new TMM. I have watched several major tiffs between many different folk and it always seems to come down to civility and tact as being the missing components. I think that is a large part of what is missing in this discussion. If I don’t like someone’s opinions I will often ignore them, not with a button but with my mind.

I believe that data acquisition is a vital part in correct analysis. While the number of stories gathered in the “bad guy” section is often depressing, it is still necessary to be aware. I am thankful that Mouse has the time and ability to search out and post this data.

I am going to leave the same thought here today that I did years ago.

May the Long Time Sun Shine Upon Us,
All Love Surround us and
The Pure Light Within Us Guide Our Way On.

Peace, Love and Brotherhood.
Tahn

[Moonbeam]

I think DL has a good idea. Not because of Mouse per se, but because there appears to be a *need* to separate the "sky is falling" kind of news. It would be interesting to see if this might encourage some folks - who stay away because of such posts, to return. I don't have a problem with the content that is posted, however I agree with some of PSM's points. I think the original poster can lose credibility when the linked stories do not reconcile with the title in the post. I share the frustration of feeling like my time could have been better spent. As mentioned earlier I don't do a lot of tootling around other sites so it's just fine by me to read some current events, if you will.

I have long been curious exactly what it is that is missing from this site that some of the veterans seem to long for? Maybe it's not entirely about the content but the personalities that used to frequent this place? 

MOUSE - if you have stumbled over to this section, please take heart that you are liked by many here so chin up! I hope you consider doing what Mama Liberty has encouraged you (and others) to do which is to include why the story is important to you.