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Yes! Go for it.

24 (75%)

No, leave TMM as it is

6 (18.8%)

No. I have a better idea (details below)

1 (3.1%)

So THAT's where the old coot went....

1 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: March 05, 2015, 06:56:24 am

[cowardly lion]

Well, I'm back on here and trying to keep up.  I believe Silver was in the right, I believe he spoke his mind seriously and dispassionately and was not insulting to Mouse.  I'm a little dismayed by the attacks I've seen on him for speaking his mind.

That said, in response to remarks made about lack of participation in the threads here, I've just gotten tired.  I'm working harder at a job that pays half as much as I used to make, at the same time trying to prep for what I see as more difficult times in the very near future.  At the same time, there *is* outrage fatigue that cannot be avoided unless all contact with the outside world is denied.

Today I see PM Cameron comparing himself and Obama to Reagan and Thatcher.  While Reagan and Maggie had their faults, it's statements like this that make me want to spew  Today I trust neither party to do anything other than what their handlers allow.  It makes me feel like a very very small, insignificant speck of sand compared to the behemoth around me.  And that's what they want.

While I agree with Elias's remarks on MindWar, his monologues on how it all came about lose my attention.  I DON'T CARE about all of the .gov documents laying out the plan.  I'm looking for something *I* can do, with my meager resources, that will not distract too much from my primary responsibilities to my family.  The suggestions made about comedy routines going viral sounds great, really - but I don't write comedy.  I'm trying to come up with ways to throw sand in the gears, but I'm coming up dry.

I'm beginning to sound to myself like I'm bitchin' and moanin', and I don't want that, but I've gotten all of the homesteading/firearm/other info I can handle at present - the trick is putting it into practice - but that's why I'm not visiting all of the great threads here.  I've learned a boatload from all of the great ideas put out here, but in my personal space I'm past most of that.  Not that I can't learn more, mind you, but my plate is pretty full.

My point, and I do have one, (stolen from Ellen Degeneres), is that "Mole" activities to counterattack the MindWar are what I'm looking for.  I've been absent from these threads for a while, and I'm looking for ideas while trying to come up with ideas of my own.

ML, I don't know if this is the kind of response you were looking for, but it's what I've got.  For now.

cl

[MamaLiberty]

ML, I don't know if this is the kind of response you were looking for, but it's what I've got.  For now.

Thanks, CL.... I was not looking for any particular response at all... just wondering if there was any more discussion.  I am pretty much of your mind here myself. Outrage fatigue, and doing about all I can already to prepare for the coming disaster.

I do appreciate having a community of people here to talk to, a place to vent and ask questions... but I don't expect anyone else to come up with answers to my particular problems. It's just nice not to be alone.

Glad to see you here again!

[MamaLiberty]

Ok, let's try this. A new board has been created for "General bad news."  https://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?board=74.0

If the title is not what you folks want, let me know. I couldn't think of anything else. I request that mouse and others post their "scare stories" and other such stuff here. We'll see if that makes people happier.

[DiabloLoco]

Ok, let's try this. A new board has been created for "General bad news."  https://www.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?board=74.0

If the title is not what you folks want, let me know. I couldn't think of anything else. I request that mouse and others post their "scare stories" and other such stuff here. We'll see if that makes people happier.

How about naming it "SNAFU"? Situation normal, all f'd up.

[MamaLiberty]

How about naming it "SNAFU"? Situation normal, all f'd up.

See new poll in that section.

[Felinenation]

I just want to add my 2 cents worth:  I think what Mouse posts is valuable.  It's important, IMO, to see what the enemy is doing and how they can get you.  If people don't like those kinds of posts, then don't read them.

I think these "outrage" posts can be educational in leading someone to thinking about liberty.  For someone who thinks we need the police, have them read the Police Abuses section, and ask them if we need cops to throw flash-bangs into a baby's crib, or to kill people for the most trivial of offenses, which wouldn't even  be offenses in a free country.

[RagnarDanneskjold]

If you (a general you) feel that this forum has been highjacked by a wave of hollowness that leaves a bad taste in your mouth, then why not reclaim this place for something a little more worthy?

This... and just don't bother to read anything you (general you) consider unworthy. We all have our own criteria for that.

Seems simple enough to me.

Succinct!!!

[da gooch]

First day back after nearly a month without any connection. (long story)

Don't quit Oath Keepers, Bro, just add this place to your daily travels, right? Oath Keepers is doing a wonderful job for this country. I'm trying to get TMM off its ass to do something comparable, which is what this thread is all about. We'll see how it goes with the membership here.

And yet Elias has also said that what we wanted to do here either way was no big deal to him because he already had an alternate website ready to go. ? ?

So ... Whatever the rest of you want to do I will go along until I am not interested any longer.
In My Humble Opinion ... Living Free is task enough for me.
Oh, I'll help educate any that ask but I don't envision myself as any kind of "savior" unless it's to haul out someone drowning nearby.
I tried being a National Figure (attempting to save the Constitution) and all it did was spend my money. (and other peoples money as well)

stay safe

Hey Gooch,
I've just laid out a bit more of my thinking in the previous post which I just now made to ML. Please read that if you would. For the record, I'd rather use TMM here and share the fun with our good friends here, but I was trying to not put undue pressure about it on the regular members here.

And yes, I do have a website, thanks to Rags and Bill. I just don't have time to load it, lol.

Sample page by our newest member here at TMM, Cyrellys:
https://eliasalias.com/2014/11/17/cyrellys-old-world-celt/

It would be much easier to build a mother-site for these forums and already have TMM's forums up and running with all these years' worth of intelligence, human egoism, knowledge and history, at our fingertips, y'kno?

Sorry you shot your wad on Oath Keepers and now regret it. Hate to hear that, Bro. I'm very proud of the work Oath Keepers does, such as helping sponsor this film:

http://www.midnightride.us/trailer/

(Am also sorry you cannot view that movie trailer. Here's hoping this year brings you some financial relief. If you want to make that happen, or to let it happen, perhaps helping TMM launch the Militia of the several States to combat the militarization of our police which will usher in martial law.

Maybe everything is hopeless, but as long as I draw breath, I will do all I can to oppose tyranny. I think that same fire is buried somewhere inside you too.

Salute!
Elias

I don't remember saying that Elias.

Do I regret what I was able to do to be helpful in getting OK started? No I do not.
Do I want to see the "Government" we have revert to the original founders outline and design?
(The Articles of Confederation.)
Yes and No. Yes as it is miles better than the fascist regime currently in power. No as it is still a system of central government rather than a republic of individual sovereigns.

Do I regret what I was able to do to be helpful in getting OK started? No I do not.
I do begin to wonder about the "goal" of the organization that was to be "an educational organization" but has removed the "What We Are Not" statement from the About page. (Did it -like me- get dropped from the program?)
Where are the billboards outside of the military installations? Besides making headlines and face time for a select few where are the educational efforts? (Keeping in mind I cannot view much of the OK site due to the bandwidth hurdle.)
It would seem that more effort is being placed on gaining National Attention than on actually educating the serving GI's.
I fear that the predominance of the members of the "Thin Blue Line" are already committed to the Police State in all of its Death(Glory) and Destruction(Power). Or am I missing something due to my internet liabilities? Has my being more concerned with daily survival become more important than OK? It seems so as only one of those options is putting beans in my pot and covering the gas to heat them.

Here's hoping this year brings you some financial relief. If you want to make that happen, or to let it happen, perhaps helping TMM launch the Militia of the several States to combat the militarization of our police which will usher in martial law.

Say what?  How is my "helping TMM launch the Militia of the several States" going to change my financial status?
Is there going to be some kind of "Profit Sharing Plan"? Or is this some of that Obamamagic applied to the several Militias? Will there be free phones and cars like those campaign promises in 2008?


Do as you wish with TMM ... I will continue to contribute or not as I can with the caveat that ....
Living Free is task enough for me.

[da gooch]

Mouse is emblematic of the reason why I don't participate here hardly at all anymore, and in fact a larger overall problem I have seen at this and other discussion groups. Mouse posts more than any other member ever. The only content I ever see from mouse is news feed type, sky-is-falling, simplistic, us-vs-them, bunker mentality, dichromatic, you-won't-believe-this, uninteresting, shallow, at times hyperbolic, under-researched, hasty, unreliable, poorly sourced, sensationalistic, tabloid-esque garbage. It's clickbait. Mouse is undaunted by lack of edifying discussion generated by his posts, he seems to feel that if you throw a hundred posts on the wall, one of them is bound to spark some discussion, and if not discussion, then at least attention.

The content mouse posts is worse than useless- it's disempowering, because what can be done about it? For instance: "Massachusetts law enforcement agencies claim they corporations, exempt from FOIA," is a recent post. I'm not interested in this kind of content. And, at least in General Discussion, that seems to be the de rigeur. It's not just mouse, but he is by far the worst offender, in my opinion. For all the posts he throws up, I have never felt like there was any personal connection made. And based on some of the things I see him link, I don't think I want one anyway.

And where is Joel, and Thunder and Lightning, and debeez, and coloradohermit, and the others whom I have cherished in one way or another? They're either gone or silent, or nearly so. TMM has changed, and I have changed as well, but we have not changed in similar ways or directions. To the extent that I come here at all anymore, it's to interact with the people I already have connections with who haven't transitioned over to social media.

You go back about 7 years or more and you look at the General Discussion page topics and you see a lot more actual discussion. I mean, there was always some newsfeed type content, but now and in the past few years, it has become almost given over to that. It's not fair to compare what exists now to what existed several years ago. I get that. But nevertheless, I liked it a lot better when it was a discussion forum, not a news feed. The one place I get that at all anymore is the Economics board. And that's mostly where you'll find me.

I don't think I personally attacked mouse, because I don't know mouse as a person. I think I might have known that he is from New Zealand, but I'm not even really sure I'm right about that. I'm not even sure I'm referring to him (her?) in the correct pronoun. I'm talking strictly about content. On that score, I'll stand by what I said. I know I could have said it more delicately or with more circumspection, but in the previous 8 pages of this thread there was talk of having to have a thick skin to participate here, so I took it as license.

In any case, I'll refrain from using blunt verbiage going forward. That said, I remain steadfast in my substantive observations.

Damn. Aren't you just a blessing to the whole God damned world! Thank you so much for sharing. Right after you apologize to mouse, why don't you tell me why you're even here? Since I do not appreciate crudeness, insensitivity, and people who violate their terms of service agreement regarding personal attacks, I'd like to let you know I'll not be missing you when you stop sharing your rude brilliance with we mere peons here at TMM. Thanks, but no thanks. Happy trails.

Salute!
Elias

Ellias

Sir, While I do agree with some of what PSM has said, there are parts that I do not, but How does that make what you just posted any different that what he posted?

Did you not just attack him for what he said, after you asked him for his opinion?

And how does this sit with you and the 1st amendment, does he not have a right to share whats on his mind too?
Again did you not ask for opinions about this site? 
And why come down on him when others here have done far worst to others?

By your statement here, you have sent a message that we are not free to share our opinions, and therefore people do not share.

good day sir

Dawg

Hear hear

Why ask someone to be open and honest just to stomp on their reply?
Why would anyone want seconds of that sort of behavior?

[da gooch]

To Whom it may concern:

Any response to my posts will be responded to BUT it may take an exorbitant amount of time as I am experiencing a "downturn" in my financial situation as well as a corresponding need to devote more time to the acquisition of frns.
This should not be construed as my not caring about responding.

It is what it is but you are free to interpret it as you see fit.

stay safe

[kirgi07]

Just wow. Ought 7.   

[yorick]

I quit posting when I was chastised for mocking the "vapor trail" nut-jobs.

If we're going to be serious we need to be real about things that matter.  Giving credence to idiotic fantasies is a quick path to irrelevance and forum death.

I'm happy to re-engage if reality is a part of the program  ;-)

- tim

[MamaLiberty]

I quit posting when I was chastised for mocking the "vapor trail" nut-jobs.

If we're going to be serious we need to be real about things that matter.  Giving credence to idiotic fantasies is a quick path to irrelevance and forum death.

I'm happy to re-engage if reality is a part of the program  ;-)

- tim

Good heavens, that must have been a long time ago!   Welcome home.

Just for reference, however, please note that challenging other people's ideas won't cause problems as long as you don't use personal attacks, silly name calling, or other violations of the user's agreement. Everyone has a perfect right to believe what they want, idiotic fantasies and all, and changing their idea of reality isn't anyone else's job. Discuss, to your heart's content, but just keep it civil.

You would no doubt enjoy discussing things with StillaGhost and Dustin, among others. I look forward to seeing your posts.

[Bill St. Clair]

I'm happy to re-engage if reality is a part of the program  ;-)

I like to think of myself as a seeker of reality, but I expect that many more times I'll find myself thinking that the ear is the whole elephant.

[da gooch]

I'm happy to re-engage if reality is a part of the program  ;-)

I like to think of myself as a seeker of reality, but I expect that many more times I'll find myself thinking that the ear is the whole elephant.

No, no, no it is a long thin snake-like animal with a tuft of coarse hair on the end everyone who has touched one can feel that ...