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So THAT's where the old coot went....

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Voting closed: March 05, 2015, 06:56:24 am

[Cherokee]

I read the first five pages of this thread and decided to skip ahead and post.

I came here from Oath Keepers. Still with Oath Keepers by the way.

Over there, I was challenged at times for being a cop basher/hater. I made my best attempts to explain that bad cops do bad things and that is why Oath Keepers exists,....to remind bad cops to be good,....to honor their oath and not blindly follow illegal orders.

Many Oath Keepers over there agreed with me. Many did not.

Dividing into two different camps over whether cops are good or bad seems a little silly to me.

If a cop honors his oath and does the right things (Frank Serpico), he is a good cop.

If a cop dishonors his oath and does dishonorable things, he is a bad cop.

I was often called onto the carpet during my twenty year military career for challenging my chain of command while others worked hard at not being noticed while they skated their way to retirement.

I retired with my integrity intact and I sleep good.

I am an Oath Keeper. I have been down the rabbit hole....very, very deep down the rabbit hole.

I have seen a few comments that suggests Oath Keepers are mindless thugs on the take. The very purpose of Oath Keepers is to prevent the mindless thugs from being so. Would it not stand to reason that most Oath Keepers members are the ones who get it?

I took the time to read the history of The Mental Militia. I was quite impressed. I believed that here is a long running endeavor that has evolved to exactly where it should be because good people with great minds have made it so. Then I got to the not so pleasant comments about Oath Keepers and wondered how can this forum be as enlightened as it's membership claims? I have read some absolutely brilliant stuff on the Oath Keepers forums.

I don't say these things to start a flame war. I say them because I am a person who spends many hours every day researching, reading, learning, and working to share ideas....and then I nearly quit this forum as fast as I found it.

But I will not leave this forum until I have given it a fair chance to show me why it has survived for so long. There is either something substantial here, or there are a handful of nut jobs who just don't know when to quit. No, I doubt that a bunch of loonies could pull this off for so long, so you all are stuck with me...at least for awhile.

[FDD]

I read the first five pages of this thread and decided to skip ahead and post.

I came here from Oath Keepers. Still with Oath Keepers by the way.

Over there, I was challenged at times for being a cop basher/hater. I made my best attempts to explain that bad cops do bad things and that is why Oath Keepers exists,....to remind bad cops to be good,....to honor their oath and not blindly follow illegal orders.

Many Oath Keepers over there agreed with me. Many did not.

Dividing into two different camps over whether cops are good or bad seems a little silly to me.

If a cop honors his oath and does the right things (Frank Serpico), he is a good cop.

If a cop dishonors his oath and does dishonorable things, he is a bad cop.

I was often called onto the carpet during my twenty year military career for challenging my chain of command while others worked hard at not being noticed while they skated their way to retirement.

I retired with my integrity intact and I sleep good.

I am an Oath Keeper. I have been down the rabbit hole....very, very deep down the rabbit hole.

I have seen a few comments that suggests Oath Keepers are mindless thugs on the take. The very purpose of Oath Keepers is to prevent the mindless thugs from being so. Would it not stand to reason that most Oath Keepers members are the ones who get it?

I took the time to read the history of The Mental Militia. I was quite impressed. I believed that here is a long running endeavor that has evolved to exactly where it should be because good people with great minds have made it so. Then I got to the not so pleasant comments about Oath Keepers and wondered how can this forum be as enlightened as it's membership claims? I have read some absolutely brilliant stuff on the Oath Keepers forums.

I don't say these things to start a flame war. I say them because I am a person who spends many hours every day researching, reading, learning, and working to share ideas....and then I nearly quit this forum as fast as I found it.

But I will not leave this forum until I have given it a fair chance to show me why it has survived for so long. There is either something substantial here, or there are a handful of nut jobs who just don't know when to quit. No, I doubt that a bunch of loonies could pull this off for so long, so you all are stuck with me...at least for awhile.

From what I have learned from a long life so far is no matter what group you are involved in, there is always 10% that mess things up.

so take that into consideration, even here.

[da gooch]

Welcome aboard Cherokee.

Have you discovered that Oath Keepers was created right here on this forum?

Stewart (the Yalie) and a large handful of us founded the organization in March of 09 right here at TMM.
Have you found our Partner site here for Oath Keepers? CLICK HERE

Please read the ROE called the Registration Agreement and Moderation Policy hereabouts. HERE
Basically Play Nice and Learn all you want or can stand. Share what you know but don't serve it with an entrenching tool. It's pretty simple and man oh man there is a lot to learn here.

There are many exmilitarys here and a goodly percentage are the original core of the OK movement. (Myself included)
Elias (the owner of the title to this forum) is the same Elias the Editor over at the OK Website.
Stewart (the Yalie) is none other than Stewart from OK.

One of the main reasons that many here are not overt Oath Keepers is that a large percentage have developed a strong anarchist political bent. NOT No Rules - No Rulers. In the original Greek it would have translated to = No Kings.

Welcome aboard.

[Elias Alias]

Hi guys,

I am from OK and glad for the invite.  There is nothing like changing from stew 24/7 to sumtin different like coming here.  I had only been in OK since the first of the year, during the OR standoff.  I had move 500 miles after loosing my job and spending all my retirement to build my last home in a location that matched my dreams.

I am in a small valley that has less than 20 homes.  My setback is a two mile driveway and loving not having utility bills.  Once here and in light of the demise of the union, I found like minded people that wanted to stay in touch and then moving to form a team to respond to different happenings in our little valley.  For about a year we talked about political grumblings and reached consensus on our responses.

Then I found OK.  They were doing the same; forming teams, educating of what may come, and how to respond to it collectively.  It was a natural fit for me.

What I have read above does not fit the characteristics of the OK members.  Those mannerisms you folks mentioned about the jack boot attitude associated with LEO's, I believe belong to LEO's that would not like to join OK and more of the progressive action attitudes.  They are not constitutionally, behaving individuals.  If you had problems with LEO's before, then the broad brush action you take, is based upon just your experiences and not of the collective.  I think your position is probably isolated to your surroundings and not of the union as a whole.

It encourages me to say, "get out of the cities".

I hear you loud and clear, Jake.  I knew in  1999 that it's time to move to the country, so I closed my store in Georgia and headed out to Montana to get away from the teeming masses. I've never regretted it for a minute. Once I got here I realized that the police/sheriffs here are for the most part good Montana people who are still of the mindset to "protect and serve".

But I see that changing now in some of the cities here. Note: when we in Montana say "city", we're talking usually about less than fifty thousand residents, with Billings having around a hundred thousand. But in those cities, in the fifteen years since I moved here, I'm noticing the militarization of police forces and a short-tempered attitude in cops which was not here when I first arrived. I hate to see this erosion of humanity by our cops in the cities here, and it matches in micro the drift of the country as a whole over the past forty to fifty years as cultural Marxism and corporate fascism have taken root in the cities. Almost two years ago I moved away from Bozeman and settled in a square log cabin in the middle of nowhere up by the Canadian border. I am totally rural, but have electricity and hot-running water and internet connection -- and NO PEOPLE! It's awesome for this old guy, and I feel truly blessed.  But the UN's Agenda 21 is very active in Montana, and their twisted government-vs-the people operations are activities which are beginning to wake up the ranchers and farmers and miners and loggers in Montana. More and more, the message of liberty and freedom is attracting people who previously were not inclined to think about it.

So I agree with you -- it's time for all good people to get out of the Cities of Man. John Prine said it in the 1960s, and so did Neil Young.

Salute!
Elias

[FDD]

It is funny Elias you talk about agenda 21.
I first heard about it in ILL. I used to live just north of Chicago and it was from a tea partier that told me about it.

Well thank God I am out of that mess now, but the police here, Casper, are not much better than the JBT's I left behind in ILL, sorry to say.
But I too am working at getting away from this.

There are others here that are bitter about Wyoming, but I guess it all depends on where you are from and what you had to deal with.
I for one like it here. Is it prefect? no, but it is a far sight better than ILL.

[Elias Alias]

My number one favorite source for Agenda 21, and as far as I know the true pioneer fighting it, is Michael Shaw over at Freedom Advocates --  http://www.freedomadvocates.org/

I've got a bit of a start on his landing page at the new The Mental Militia national site.

https://thementalmilitia.net/readers-regiment/1864-2/

Wyoming is a sparsely-populated State for the most part. I think it holds much good for people who are interested in getting away fro the cities, but anyone moving to the country in any State have much to get accustomed to.  A lot depends on an individual's mindset and character. Personally, I grew up reading Thoreau and Emerson, and had the good fortune to have good forest/river areas handy for playing as a boy. All my grown years found me longing to get back to a more natural way of relating to Nature, and I strongly question the benefits of "modern civilization", preferring to take the electricity and pickup trucks and leave the rest to the city boys, lol.

A really good take on this is in an old piece by our dear Friend, Claire Wolfe. I am building her landing page at The Mental Militia right now, and in my travels last night whilst working on her page I came across the first post I ever made here at this particular forum, way back in June of 2003. In that post I duplicated her article called "Moving To Hardyville", which I had found at WorldNet Daiy. (Yes, Claire used to write for WND.) Anyway, here is that link, and I'd certainly hope many reading here go read her essay on moving to Hardyville. It's a short, but excellent prose piece of fiction about just what we're talking about here. Enjoy.

https://secure.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=9.0

Salute!
Elias

[Cherokee]

My number one favorite source for Agenda 21, and as far as I know the true pioneer fighting it, is Michael Shaw over at Freedom Advocates --  http://www.freedomadvocates.org/

I've got a bit of a start on his landing page at the new The Mental Militia national site.

https://thementalmilitia.net/readers-regiment/1864-2/

Wyoming is a sparsely-populated State for the most part. I think it holds much good for people who are interested in getting away fro the cities, but anyone moving to the country in any State have much to get accustomed to.  A lot depends on an individual's mindset and character. Personally, I grew up reading Thoreau and Emerson, and had the good fortune to have good forest/river areas handy for playing as a boy. All my grown years found me longing to get back to a more natural way of relating to Nature, and I strongly question the benefits of "modern civilization", preferring to take the electricity and pickup trucks and leave the rest to the city boys, lol.

A really good take on this is in an old piece by our dear Friend, Claire Wolfe. I am building her landing page at The Mental Militia right now, and in my travels last night whilst working on her page I came across the first post I ever made here at this particular forum, way back in June of 2003. In that post I duplicated her article called "Moving To Hardyville", which I had found at WorldNet Daiy. (Yes, Claire used to write for WND.) Anyway, here is that link, and I'd certainly hope many reading here go read her essay on moving to Hardyville. It's a short, but excellent prose piece of fiction about just what we're talking about here. Enjoy.

https://secure.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=9.0

Salute!
Elias

Slowly making my way to Hardyville,...dragging my wife along. It will just take longer this way. Someday, she'll ask, "why didn't we move here sooner? "

[Bill St. Clair]

A really good take on this is in an old piece by our dear Friend, Claire Wolfe. I am building her landing page at The Mental Militia right now, and in my travels last night whilst working on her page I came across the first post I ever made here at this particular forum, way back in June of 2003. In that post I duplicated her article called "Moving To Hardyville", which I had found at WorldNet Daiy. (Yes, Claire used to write for WND.) Anyway, here is that link, and I'd certainly hope many reading here go read her essay on moving to Hardyville. It's a short, but excellent prose piece of fiction about just what we're talking about here. Enjoy.

https://secure.thementalmilitia.com/forums/index.php?topic=9.0

Claire's article is still up at WorldNetDaily (WND), without her byline. I remember when WND was young, before Joseph Farrah morphed into a neocon. It was a daily visit for me back then.

The entire Hardyville series is at Backwoods Home: http://www.backwoodshome.com/features/author-index/#hardyville

I'm glad that Claire will be writing for TheMentalMilitia.net

[Elias Alias]

Good link, Bill. I'll add that to her landing page at the site later today. Thank you.

And I fully agree with your prognosis regarding Farah going neo-con. Back in the day, like you, I visited there often because they were more interested in telling the truth than they are today.

Reckon they got bit by the Republican bug or something?

Salute!
Elias

[Eagle Eye]

I read the first five pages of this thread and decided to skip ahead and post.

I came here from Oath Keepers. Still with Oath Keepers by the way.

Over there, I was challenged at times for being a cop basher/hater. I made my best attempts to explain that bad cops do bad things and that is why Oath Keepers exists,....to remind bad cops to be good,....to honor their oath and not blindly follow illegal orders.

Many Oath Keepers over there agreed with me. Many did not.

Dividing into two different camps over whether cops are good or bad seems a little silly to me.

If a cop honors his oath and does the right things (Frank Serpico), he is a good cop.

If a cop dishonors his oath and does dishonorable things, he is a bad cop.

I was often called onto the carpet during my twenty year military career for challenging my chain of command while others worked hard at not being noticed while they skated their way to retirement.

I retired with my integrity intact and I sleep good.

I am an Oath Keeper. I have been down the rabbit hole....very, very deep down the rabbit hole.

I have seen a few comments that suggests Oath Keepers are mindless thugs on the take. The very purpose of Oath Keepers is to prevent the mindless thugs from being so. Would it not stand to reason that most Oath Keepers members are the ones who get it?

I took the time to read the history of The Mental Militia. I was quite impressed. I believed that here is a long running endeavor that has evolved to exactly where it should be because good people with great minds have made it so. Then I got to the not so pleasant comments about Oath Keepers and wondered how can this forum be as enlightened as it's membership claims? I have read some absolutely brilliant stuff on the Oath Keepers forums.

I don't say these things to start a flame war. I say them because I am a person who spends many hours every day researching, reading, learning, and working to share ideas....and then I nearly quit this forum as fast as I found it.

But I will not leave this forum until I have given it a fair chance to show me why it has survived for so long. There is either something substantial here, or there are a handful of nut jobs who just don't know when to quit. No, I doubt that a bunch of loonies could pull this off for so long, so you all are stuck with me...at least for awhile.

Same here Cherokee. Though I've never been a cop, I almost pulled out after reading some of the comments on this site. Yep, there are bad cops and I can appreciate each of us has our own reasons for believing as we do. I have even faced off with one or two in my life and was fortunate enough a good one was nearby. Still, At the age of 65, I refuse to put all of a certain race or occupation into some all encompassing statement. Even though I disagree with those types of statements, I fought for the right for the writer to say whatever they want. Whether they like it or not. So, here I am. A free man willing to listen.

My hope is to learn and share ideas. Wisdom is gained though patient, civil discourse. It's too easy to go off the rails of misunderstanding on a 2 dimentional format like this. I don't bite much. I chew. 

[Eagle Eye]

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[Elias Alias]

I concur wholeheartedly, about Oath Keepers. The good cops want to help other cops be good cops, and Oath Keepers facilitates that nicely. I think Oath Keepers is a very important part of the liberty movement. Wise is he who does not paint with a broad brush. I personally assess people only as individuals. I *have* met some very fine cops, and I'm glad they're out there.
Thank you for being here.

Salute!
Elias

[Jake]

I concur wholeheartedly, about Oath Keepers. The good cops want to help other cops be good cops, and Oath Keepers facilitates that nicely. I think Oath Keepers is a very important part of the liberty movement. Wise is he who does not paint with a broad brush. I personally assess people only as individuals. I *have* met some very fine cops, and I'm glad they're out there.
Thank you for being here.

Salute!
Elias

The Oath Keepers were new to me at the first of the year.  Fits my niche perfectly I thot.  Now I am coming to the conclusion that this makes up the rest of the flavor to make the dish complete.  Thank you for inviting.
Salute! back at ya

[Jake]

It would be refreshing to have someone to argue with again.  Muwahahaha.

Be warned...  I won't tiptoe around about the principles of voluntaryism like I do at the OK forums.  And don't expect me to play nice with JBTs who will surely show up and make excuses for the criminality of their fellow professional bullies.

I don't want to lose my happy home here.  I was invited to the Survival Podcast forums and then banned later because I wouldn't kiss the ass of one of their prominent posters who was a cop / blackwater mercenary.  I stopped speaking my mind about legalized thuggery at Oath Keepers forums because Stewart asked me to.

I want assurance that I can continue to speak my mind freely without worrying about scaring someone away or that their wittow feewings might get huwted.

.

I enjoy a good discussion with differing opinions  . . . . . . now I am wondering "How much air does an over weight leaping gnome get on a leap?

[Elias Alias]

I concur wholeheartedly, about Oath Keepers. The good cops want to help other cops be good cops, and Oath Keepers facilitates that nicely. I think Oath Keepers is a very important part of the liberty movement. Wise is he who does not paint with a broad brush. I personally assess people only as individuals. I *have* met some very fine cops, and I'm glad they're out there.
Thank you for being here.

Salute!
Elias

The Oath Keepers were new to me at the first of the year.  Fits my niche perfectly I thot.  Now I am coming to the conclusion that this makes up the rest of the flavor to make the dish complete.  Thank you for inviting.
Salute! back at ya

Like the way you put that, Jake. Totally agree. The Liberty movement is a wide variety of well-intentioned good Americans, and there is room for all of us. What The Mental Militia has always been about is open-minded intelligence and communications of same with other open-minded folks. We're glad you're here, Bro.

Salute!
Elias