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Does the membership of TMM want to turn Elias loose to recruit new members?

Yes! Go for it.
- 24 (75%)
No, leave TMM as it is
- 6 (18.8%)
No. I have a better idea (details below)
- 1 (3.1%)
So THAT's where the old coot went....
- 1 (3.1%)

Total Members Voted: 29

Voting closed: March 05, 2015, 06:56:24 am


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Elias Alias

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #240 on: December 18, 2017, 07:41:34 am »

If you alert tens of thousands of active-duty thugs, cops, soldiers, narcs, anti-terrorism agents, building code enforcers, policy wonks, reservists, all of whom count themselves active duty and military, law enforcement, and firefighters, some will notice this place. 

They won't like what they find here.  This is not a friendly place for their kind.

Doesn't seem to be any danger of that. The word went out... and nobody came. Good enough. :)

Actually, ML, the word didn't really "go out". I mean, I really did not try to advertise this place.

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #241 on: December 18, 2017, 10:54:01 am »

Actually, ML, the word didn't really "go out". I mean, I really did not try to advertise this place.

Oh. OK. Why not? That's what you said you were going to do. I'm confused. :)
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #242 on: December 18, 2017, 05:34:20 pm »

Actually, ML, the word didn't really "go out". I mean, I really did not try to advertise this place.

Oh. OK. Why not? That's what you said you were going to do. I'm confused. :)

ML, I did intend to do that, but in the end I decided to let this place mature somewhat. There are some outstanding minds here, and the caliber of consciousness I've been seeing here lately is impressing me in a very good way. I like what I'm seeing here these days. It could be that this place could end up being what it was supposed to be at the start. This thread is three years old this month. Improvements in the general tone of conversation and ideation are looking much better. But but there have been some voices herein which I would be embarrassed for some of our friens to see, and especially I would not want their own views attacked mercilessly by insensitive remarks from self-appointed geniuses who hit newbies over the head with the iron skillet of judgment because said newbies were not already full-blown anarchists.

And I'll confess that that has been mostly my fault, because I've been too busy myself for the past eight years, and have not been here nearly enough to nurture a sense of civility in the general flow of conversations.  I over-extended myself, and I also tied my hands a bit back in 2007 when I tried to set up the Admin policies along a more "democratic" style of administering the forums. For some number of years my hands were tied in some ways. That has now changed and I'm no longer bound by  the Admins, and in my absence a higher quality of folks have weathered the years of change here and contributed meaningful posts. That is a good sign, and it's not something I did -- it's just a sign that some of the sorts of folks I'd want to see here have indeed stayed the course and continue to make this a quality place. But three years ago it was not really ready. I did, however, invite in some friends, who have mostly given up and gone their separate ways.

Because the nice folks I did invite in here got attacked by the know-it-all snotty club who just knew that if anyone came here from Oath Keepers they were sub-human robots of statist ilk.

Let me be frank with you. You can go over to the Allied Camps section of the national website and take a look at the caliber of liberty fighters listed there. Just scroll this page --

https://thementalmilitia.net/allied-camps/

Do you think I'm going to invite Edwin Vieira or Pat Wood or even Wendy McElroy to come over here and get dumped on by a group of would-be-ninja know-it-alls who love to strut their superior wisdom around the place like, what's his name, Diablo Loco -- who sees himself as more brilliant than a peacock's fully-spread fan. I am not saying that the good people here now are like that. In fact, I really appreciate the ones I've known by their posts. The place is much more "user-friendly" now than it's been in the past, and I'm pleased. But three years ago there was some turbulence. For example, there was Silver, who jumped immediately to a conclusion (as did others) which was far from correct. He presumed that I only know "Oath Keepers", and therefore I would only be bringing in those damned cops and militarized thugs. I do not know how he could presume that G. Edward Griffin or Richard Gage or Edwin Vieira, or even I myself, must be lumped into his vision of "Bad Cop!" and his theory that all cops are bad cops and since bad cops infest Oath Keepers then anyone I brought in here must be a bad cop. It's like Silver totally overlooked the fact that this discussion group got started in 1999 and stayed online ever since, and that Stewart Rhodes only joined here in 2006 and that Oath Keepers was not created here until March of 2009.  Oh no! If I'm working for Oath Keepers, then that means anyone I bring in here must be a Bad Cop.

Are you getting my drift? Go look at Silver's post on page one of this thread and tell me if he jumped to conclusions or not. He presumed that because I worked for Oath Keepers the only people I would know must be "Bad Cops". It did not dawn upon him that a lot of liberty-loving free thinkers had joined Oath Keepers to help convert those "bad cops" into being decent human beings. So he was not pleased with my bright idea about upgrading the levels of intelligence here. Just read his well-written post on page one of this thread.

Here is another example. Basil Fishbone has been in TMM since 2003. He is the co-founder of the Fully Informed Jury Association, (FIJA), a national-level top shelf organization that has done huge strides in fighting for liberty. Do you ever see him taking valuable time away from his work to shoot the breeze over here? Do you ever wonder why he does not "hang out" here?   The reason he is not present here is the same reason I am hesitant to invite other nationally-known names in here.

Here is another example -- Claire Wolfe. As you know, she ran this place for four years, until it finally drove her crazy and she handed it back to The Mental Militia. Why is she not posting here? There are many dear friends who I'd love to see posting here, but I won't subject them to pious egoism as displayed by that Diablo Loco character or the long-gone "Get Your Hands Dirty" crowd.

But maybe that sort of consciousness is finally gone, and maybe we can build a renewed interest in open-minded free-thinking consciousness, the sort of consciousness I'd be proud to introduce to the power players in the American liberty movement. But as I noted above -- all of this is mostly my fault, because I've not been around to help keep the conversational streams focused on building up a worth-while instrument for mental development while at the same time providing a cultural center for freedom loving people of all walks. Thankfully, you've been on duty here and have kept the place glued together. I'm deeply grateful to you for that. I'm also grateful for many others here who I'd be proud to call my friends.

So I'd invite all readers here to go to the national website and click on "Articles and Information", or any of the other pages, and notice that there is no "infighting" there. Egoism is totally absent. That site is being packed with information. It is not a "rolling news wire", and it is not a place for debates and arguments. It is on mission, which is to collect knowledge. When these forums rise to that level, I won't have to invite people here -- they'll come on their own. Any word of good things moves swiftly through the national consciousness.

So I've got much work to do, but I also have to survive and build that national site and put some groceries on the table here, and it's more than this old guy can do to be here every day. I will apologize to you for that. But I'll also be on record for saying to you that I do believe that this place will become much stronger in the new year coming.

Merry Christmas!
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #243 on: December 19, 2017, 04:26:39 am »

Thanks, Elias. This forum seems to be in a better place these days, I agree. I talk to Claire often, and her new forum has gone through much the same growing pains. She fixed that by making membership in the Cabal very selective, and it's doing better.

Unfortunately, there is really no way to control an open, public forum like TMM. If more "control" is what you want, we will have to narrow the criteria for membership seriously and stick to it. There is no way that spontaneous good-will and serious discussion "without ego" can be expected when anyone at all can register and post. Not going to happen, and the current lull can't last.

People are human, warts and all, and if you invite the general public to your party, some will get drunk and disorderly and some will start fist fights... which is why the bouncers need to see the invitations at the door, and stand ready to keep the peace anyway... since even the elect and invited may not always mind their manners.

Don't know if you've looked at Claire's forum yet, but you might want to do that. Look at how she limits the membership and see if you want to do something similar. Let me know. :)
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #244 on: December 23, 2017, 02:08:06 am »

Thanks, Elias. This forum seems to be in a better place these days, I agree. I talk to Claire often, and her new forum has gone through much the same growing pains. She fixed that by making membership in the Cabal very selective, and it's doing better.

Unfortunately, there is really no way to control an open, public forum like TMM. If more "control" is what you want, we will have to narrow the criteria for membership seriously and stick to it. There is no way that spontaneous good-will and serious discussion "without ego" can be expected when anyone at all can register and post. Not going to happen, and the current lull can't last.

People are human, warts and all, and if you invite the general public to your party, some will get drunk and disorderly and some will start fist fights... which is why the bouncers need to see the invitations at the door, and stand ready to keep the peace anyway... since even the elect and invited may not always mind their manners.

Don't know if you've looked at Claire's forum yet, but you might want to do that. Look at how she limits the membership and see if you want to do something similar. Let me know. :)

Sorry for the delay, ML, in getting back to you on this.
About Claire's forum, I do not blame her for wanting to keep a tight control over the members there. However, I do not want to do that here. I would prefer to leave it open, and simply boot one out of here now and then as need arises. 
Back when Claire opened her new site I did go over there and click around.  I've been there several times since then, but I have not talked with her in quite some time.  The reason I did not join her forum has to do with old grudges between myself and some of her regular members, and I just don't want to make waves with anyone over there.  It's all good, anyway, because the last thing I need to be doing is running my mouth on any forum other than this one, right? I mean, if I don't have time to talk here, what makes me think I would have time to talk at some other forum, yes? ;)

Anyway, ML, as you know I am trying to do too much, still, and my work with the jewelry studio is pulling me away from a lot of Internet stuff that I've been addicted to for years.  I've been hoping to make a difference in the direction our country is going, and after seventeen years of trying, I have to realize that the mass mind is totally disinterested, couldn't care less, and is in fact beyond help, imo. I'm also old now, with less energy, and I've just come through a year with no job, no paycheck, and it's been one tough year for me.  I've simply got to cut back on my computer time and put in more time making jewelry.  Because of that,  you'll probably see more of me here at the forums, because instead of cruising all over the world online, I'll limit myself to mostly posting at TMM and these forums.  But I digress ---

Let's leave things as they are, and encourage intelligent and mature posting by all members here, and that kind of standard should produce the membership we want here. Does that sound okay with you?

Merry Christmas,  MamaLiberty! Thank you for all you've done here for so many years. You're awesome!
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #245 on: December 23, 2017, 05:14:26 am »

Let's leave things as they are, and encourage intelligent and mature posting by all members here, and that kind of standard should produce the membership we want here. Does that sound okay with you?

As you wish, dear heart. We'll do our best to keep the ugly down to a dull roar. :) And I hear you about limiting how much I look at on line, been cutting back for some time now and doing more writing of my own. I've finished three books, so far, and I'll bet you'll get a kick out of the short one I'm sending you.  I'll send you my full book, if you like, and the sequel once I get it done. It is my vision for what a truly free country/world would look like, how individuals and their voluntary associations might interact and how peace and prosperity would grow in the absence of the "government" that basically committed suicide - as we've so often speculated.  The first of those is called "Consequences" and the second has a working title of "It's A Free Country." This sequel takes many of the same characters and their children into subsequent periods of adjustment and effort, some of it fighting a new wave of would-be rulers who want to control, as such people always have. The key is what these second and third generation folks do about it.

Anyway, I'll send you a sample chapter of "Consequences." See what you think of it. :)
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #246 on: December 23, 2017, 12:17:46 pm »

"Claires forum". Ought 7.
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« Reply #247 on: December 23, 2017, 12:40:13 pm »

"Claires forum". Ought 7.

What does that mean, kirgi07?
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #248 on: December 24, 2017, 10:48:11 am »

I do apologize,I can't recall the reason I posted my reply. Ought 7.   :huh:
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #249 on: December 24, 2017, 07:53:04 pm »

I do apologize,I can't recall the reason I posted my reply. Ought 7.   :huh:

I have been in that headspace myself.  I do try to not post public messages in those times, though.
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« Reply #250 on: December 25, 2017, 10:11:12 am »

SMS,I normally don't do that.I "" to get my point across. Ought 7.  :huh:
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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #251 on: December 30, 2017, 07:27:26 am »

SMS,I normally don't do that.I "" to get my point across. Ought 7.  :huh:

kirgi07, can you recall what your point was now?

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Re: Revitalizing TMM (Poll)
« Reply #252 on: December 30, 2017, 09:09:36 am »

No Elias,I've looked back thru the thread and I'm stuck.Sorry. Ought 7.
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« Reply #253 on: December 30, 2017, 09:12:23 am »

No Elias,I've looked back thru the thread and I'm stuck.Sorry. Ought 7.

Okey-dokey, kirgi07. Good answer. ;)

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