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[Cyrellys]

Alright, so what would motivate each of you here to participate in Elias's project on the mindwar?

I'm not going to insist it be all ladies.  I think there is just as much potential to be found among men too.  At this point in the game it is important to find out if there is anyone out there still willing to put up a fight.  So let's start there.

Who yet carries a sword?  Any takers?

Isn't that kind of blowing your OpSec, talking about what you have and are willing to use, on a public forum?

Depends on what you or anyone else intends to do.  We're discussing assembling a group interested in working on strategies that oppose or interrupt the Mind War.  My language is pointed at seeing who all is awake.  I already found one curmudgeon curled up enjoying a remarkably blissful state of uncaring.  And I've heard privately about how our predecessors in the WWII polish and french resistance handled such things, not that I have any belief in rearranging anyone's outlook on life.  I'm interested in if there is anyone here who HAS NOT thrown in the towel.  So yeah I'm kicking tea kettles and jerking blankets off sleepers with an old fashioned celtic roar.  The only way you find out if there's something beneath a rock is to start flipping 'em.

It's just the flat side of the metaphoric sword.  I haven't swung to draw blood.

Cy

[Cyrellys]

When you delve into the mind war you'll find yourself confronted with two choices...either getting very angry, or remaining open-minded and thoughtful.

Interesting. My "awakening" started as a *spiritual* one then it morphed into a *poltical* one. There are a lot of rabbit holes to fall into out there! I would liken the (poltical awakening) process as the 7 stages of grief, if you will. I have often thought that folks who are waking up from the Matrix pod need to have a coach; similar to what LSD users need when they're having a bad trip. I could really have used one to help calm me down...

Now that is something I've never hear ascribed to it before.  Moonbeam, do you have a link or a list for your definition of the 7 stages of grief?  With the vast numbers of people out there waking how might you envision manifesting a 'coach' that could serve many rather than just an intermittent few?  Any thoughts or ideas on that?

Someone already suggested using a viral video as a tool to trigger an intervention.

[Cyrellys]

Alright, so what would motivate each of you here to participate in Elias's project on the mindwar?

I'm not going to insist it be all ladies.  I think there is just as much potential to be found among men too.  At this point in the game it is important to find out if there is anyone out there still willing to put up a fight.  So let's start there.

Who yet carries a sword?  Any takers?

Isn't that kind of blowing your OpSec, talking about what you have and are willing to use, on a public forum?

Not necessarily. We're talking about using our MINDS. I am definitely willing to use mine, and don't mind saying so on a public forum.

Cy- What are we talking about here? What will participation entail?

Well good question.  I think that is up to the individuals who comprise the group.  Everyone brings experience with the mind war in some fashion to the table.  Together it is possible to discern what parts of it are the most damaging and where the efforts of a small group with group available resources could produce either an alteration in the effects of the mindwar or erect an obstruction.

A public teaching tool available online for free and open to distribution by any individual might be an example of something that could function as an obstruction.

We also have a great many resources out there, from tools others have made such as the video SB posted here, and books of what historical groups have done in the face of these types of wars such as:

Soldiers of the Night by David Schoenbrun
      The Story of the French Resistance
   1.  www.amazon.com/Soldiers-Night...Schoenbrun/
   2.  www.goodreads.com
   3.  books.google.com
   4.  www.katesharpleylibrary.net/2jm6g8
   5.  David Schoenbrun - Wikipedia

Quote:  Written by an American intelligence agent (Psychological Warfare Branch), this is the first reasonably satisfying account to date, in English, of the French Resistance. David Schoenbrun has an obvious affinity for those whose activities he describes, and his profession as a spy proves both useful and illuminating as he guides us through the murky labyrinthine world of political and military intrigue in London, Washington and Casablanca as well as Occupied and Vichy France.

But it was not the Generals who fled to London or North Africa, nor the adventurers of the OSS or the SOE who constituted the French Resistance, as this book clearly shows. It was the ordinary men and women from all walks of life and varying political persuasions. They were soldiers without uniforms or proper arms who lived in the shadows as soldiers of the night and who courageously defied the might of the German military machine and their fascist Vichy collaborators.

Just throwing out some ideas to illicit further discussion.

Cy

[Tahn L.]

Cy .

Glad you are here!

Did you happen to read the "Libertyville Sheriffs Dept." thread and is this the type of resistance you are wanting? I thought that something like that might change a few minds (What does freedom sound like?) but it might only apply to a few, mostly younger folk. Might turn others totally off. Just trying to establish what you are looking for.

Peace, Love and Brotherhood, Through Equal Rights and Firepower.

Tahn

[Tahn L.]

A very good article on changing minds was posted in Strike-The-Root.

http://ericpetersautos.com/2015/04/21/you-say-you-want-a-revolution/

[sovereignbastard]

Anything less than this is simply a hobby.

[StillaGhost]

 
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[Tahn L.]

StillaGhost,

 And I for one, Thank You for your trying and I certainly respect your decision to stop. Myself, as another "one of those around here", wish to still try and do my small part, however ineffective it might be. I believe there is hope. I mean, they just passed constitutional carry in KANSAS, of all places. As long as Claire is writing (she is the one who really turned me on to Freedom) I will keep trying. I have children and grandchildren. I have to keep trying. Words and concepts are better than bullets and memes can work wonders.

In 77 I was sitting right here in my woods, smoking carrots and wondering if I was the only crazy person around. Then later the internet happened and I stumbled on Claire's blog and discovered there were other crazy people who thought just like me. Well, almost.

[jamie]

and before the internet there were newsletters and booksellers/publishers like Loompanics.  The incremental destruction of liberty  was there too, if you were paying attention.

[StillaGhost]

 
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[Moonbeam]

Cy,
According to this site, the "stages of grief" are:

1 - Shock and denial
2 - Pain and guilt
3 - Anger and bargaining
4 - Depression, reflection, loneliness
5 - The upward turn
6 - Reconstruction and working through
7 - Acceptance and hope

Found: http://www.recover-from-grief.com/7-stages-of-grief.html

I mean to simply apply this to my situation. Of course others must interpret their own experiences, beliefs and ideas for themselves. Like I said, there are a lot of rabbit holes one could lose themselves in, and it would have been nice, mighty nice, if I had a mentor to coach me through that really "bad trip." Seriously, I went about three weeks with little eat and precious sleep. I had awful nightmares and I was "tripping" pretty bad. It lessened after those first few weeks, but the bad taste was still left in my mouth for many, many months.

If someone with more knowledge and experience and wisdom had been around they might quite possibly saved me much trouble. "No, Child. That's not the way of it." Or, "Yes, Child. Question that. And then that." And most needed, "No, Child. Do not concern yourself with such falsehoods. Those are red herrings meant to distract from the Truth, to deter you on your journey to becoming a powerfully informed individual. Stay focused. Don't be discouraged. Those are parlor tricks and dog and pony shows for the faint hearted. Be strong. You will be better for it, and here's why and here's how..."

I am not one to jump on the bandwagon that automatically assigns folks the sheeple/clueless/idiots label. I have pity for those not yet "awake." I do not cast everyone into the "enemy" category simply because they have not (yet) chosen to be aware. My patience does wear thin sometimes with those who deliberately stick their head in the sand - BUT, I still get why they would chose to do so.

Because of my personal faith I am exposed to a certain sect of individuals or those with a certain upbringing or those with a certain mindset. I get them, and I know that would be my area of calling if I so choose. Others have written them off, but not I.

Needless to say, my experience leaves me with great empathy for others. To lead individuals to the fountain of great discovery is a privilege at the very least. I leave it to others to argue whether it's even morally mandatory to do so. I won't shrug off my obligation to my children, which is one of the reasons I homeschool. At times it's hard, it's taxing, and it wears thin, but I love them too damn much not to try to suck at something new (a little humor. I would like to think I am improving!)

The bottom line for me is that I would not approach sharing the Truth via scaremongering and conspiracy theories. Gentle is the approach I take. I do know when to be brash and bold, and I know when to be kind and patient. Either choice is deliberate on my account.

[slidemansailor]

I have given immense energy over a 15-year period to steering the herd, but the team of professional showmen had a more attractive act for most of the audience.  I still put some effort into scattering leaflets and seeds of thought as I fly over, but know few will be turned by me. The lesson is: give the receptive ones more of my time than the adamantly ignorant.

As the masses stampede over the cliff, more will wake up. Sadly too late for many of them, but fortunately for us the survivors will be wholesale-enthusiastic FOR us ad AGAINST our common enemy at that time.

We do need to pace ourselves and be ready for that time.

[Tahn L.]

 
  Tahn , look I have no ill will towards those who still wish to work within the system , nor with those who push the limits of said system in the search for positive results.
 
 

Same here and my understanding is, that this is the purpose of this forum.

 
   
  The rub comes when and individual's freedom of choice to participate or not participate is abrogated by social pressure or the attempted coercion of others , however subtle that may be. You've seen an example of same here between Cy and I wherein she not only failed to understand my stance as regards the rights accorded to every human being she also misread quite badly my stance as regards the Constitution , thus drawing castigation ,innuendo and judgementalism from her quarter.
 
  This of course sets up an adversarial scenario wherein she'll never be able to " bring the people together " , it's also quite like the various aspects of " do what I tell you 'cause I tell you." endorsed and practiced by the masters already in control.
 
 

Well, we are supposed to have a thick skin here. Let it slide.

 
    See here's the rub..........our personal rights are a birthright , you are BORN with those rights. Sure they may be eroded right from the jump , they may be taken away or abused ( and often are)......BUT you are BORN with those rights.
 
   They are not subject to the whims of man except within the context of the aforementioned abuses , they are not changed by pen put to paper nor the documents created , The Articles of The Confederation , the Constitution , the Bill of Rights etc.etc.through history are a support structure for those inborn ,inalienable human rights.
 
   Not the other way around , support the Foundation , the Paper blowing in the breeze on top of it isn't the real important part.

Well said! And I agree, although I believe that many of the "misinformed" are more easily moved toward this position by referencing said documents of history. They believe in them and I believe they can be used to change their viewpoint. Small steps can lead to greener pastures, so to speak. As I have discussed with MamaLiberty (many times), who I believe agrees with you trying to change their entire moral and ethical belief system in one fell swoop is difficult but getting them to acknowledge the original intent of the founders is easier, as a place to start.

I usually start with Shorty Dawkins parallax meme. "What do you think the founding fathers would think of the state of the country today?" "What would they do about it?"

From my perspective, this has opened a few minds, which were otherwise closed.

All I can do is keep trying.

I have given immense energy over a 15-year period to steering the herd, but the team of professional showmen had a more attractive act for most of the audience.  I still put some effort into scattering leaflets and seeds of thought as I fly over, but know few will be turned by me. The lesson is: give the receptive ones more of my time than the adamantly ignorant.

As the masses stampede over the cliff, more will wake up. Sadly too late for many of them, but fortunately for us the survivors will be wholesale-enthusiastic FOR us ad AGAINST our common enemy at that time.

We do need to pace ourselves and be ready for that time.

Amen Slidemansailor. You have certainly done more than I have and have been an inspiration to myself and others. Keep spreading those leaflets, if you have the mental energy to do so. And Thanks!

and before the internet there were newsletters and booksellers/publishers like Loompanics.  The incremental destruction of liberty  was there too, if you were paying attention.

I did not get into many books relating to this prior to the internet but I now know they were there. I was just reading the wrong stuff and trying to survive, help raise a family and start a business or two. Better late than never, I hope.

Perseverance furthers!

[StillaGhost]

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[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

I have given immense energy over a 15-year period to steering the herd, but the team of professional showmen had a more attractive act for most of the audience.  I still put some effort into scattering leaflets and seeds of thought as I fly over, but know few will be turned by me. The lesson is: give the receptive ones more of my time than the adamantly ignorant.

As the masses stampede over the cliff, more will wake up. Sadly too late for many of them, but fortunately for us the survivors will be wholesale-enthusiastic FOR us ad AGAINST our common enemy at that time.

We do need to pace ourselves and be ready for that time.

 
 
   And there you have it folks ( see above). Far from having " quit trying" I nowadays just put my efforts into those individuals who HAVE already " awoken" , for when the Crunch comes ( and make NO mistake it IS coming.) those will be the folks that are as Slide refered to above.
 
  I'd rather concentrate my efforts on those folks who stand a fighting chance of being around after the coming storm.
 
   Will  I feel a degree of empathy/sympathy for the Lemmings racing off the cliff? Of course I will , I *am* still human after all ( though certain folks here may dispute that.That said , you can't save Lemmings that are bound to the herd-mass.

Yep, I'm about the same point of it as you fellas, just burned out a lot sooner.  (Queue the low stamina jokes, I'm a big boy... I can probably tolerate a few before my "thick skin" proves to be more permeable than a lambskin condom at a pro pregnancy rally.)

I've gotten to the point, after the last local election, to where I wouldn't vote ever again.  BLECH!  Then again, I ran a police abuse publication on my corner of the coast... and I've paid dearly for it.  I still have problems with my paperwork because of those assholes.  Did anyone stand up for me?  The gun rights people?  The police abuse people??  NOBODY!!!  So I went quietly into the woodwork, and I praise the day it all goes up in flames and will lift not a finger to save it.  I encourage cops to murder maim and behave like totalitarian dickheads.  The sooner they and those who support them ALL burn in hell the better. 

I've taken my hands off the brakes.  I'm pushing from behind now... if anyone looks awake, and I can, I'll gladly pull them out of the handbasket to hell.  Everyone else deserves the flames their blind belief has earned them.