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[mouse]

I put something like this on the "monitoring & surveillance" board last night.  But I saw the following and thought "this will be exploited and used to destroy "rights", just like "after 9.11".  And as not everyone reads the other boards, people might actually see what has been going on for some time, and wonder "what will the next "crisis" be that will strip everyone of their few remaining 'rights' and then we will all be totally, irreparably enslaved.

http://armstrongeconomics.com/2015/01/13/paris-attack-next-excuse-to-ban-encryption-altogether/

David Cameron. PM of Britain, wants to block WhatsApp and Snapchat if he wins the next election, as part of his plans for new surveillance. Britain will lead the charge to outlaw encryption altogether when Britain has been walking hand-in-hand with the NSA

And there is this:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/france-pushes-for-tighter-online-surveillance-1421186711

(you are asked to subscribe to read "the full story", but the gist of it is what is said here)

PARIS—France is seeking greater assistance from technology firms as part of a plan to beef up domestic surveillance and add to its already heavy legal arsenal to track terror threats in the wake of last week’s deadly attacks.
 
Prime Minister Manuel Valls on Tuesday said France would soon propose a new surveillance law aimed at giving intelligence services “all the legal means to accomplish their mission.” Mr. Valls said the country...

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[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

Wow, just fucking wow.  We've gone from a world where the vikings or the huns would show up, kill everyone and take everything and nobody even knew a town over unless they got their timing wrong or let someone leave to sew more terror and make conquests easier... to a world where every goddamn thing is safety seeking... fuck freedom, fuck having a life worth living, and just beg for mercy at the altar of the All Holiest State.

Closest most of these average voter peons ever got to actually living life is when their favorite wrestler goes to wrestlemania, or their favorite football team wins and the players and coach make six figures.  Then back to work being a stupid peon without aspirations, ideas or even a single original thought.

[tex703]

I truly believe that the "Paris Attack" was done by an elite special forces unit that is French. Thinks about it.  The 2 terrorists that they say did it were conveniently killed.  The third who turned himself in has a solid alibi according to many.  The Chief of the French Judicial Police killed himself just after the attack.  To many "ifs" and "buts" about this attack.
I think it is a false flag attack meant to further the NSA and CIA spy policies on Americans and Europeans.

[MamaLiberty]

Who benefits? Some very interesting observations and questions.

Charlie Hebdo
By Paul Craig Roberts
http://lewrockwell.us7.list-manage.com/track/click?u=6ad24f4cd1574f1f7b8a0a03a&id=eff93c521f&e=49b37d7ee4

If Muslims are responsible for the attack on Charlie Hebdo, what Muslim
goal did they achieve? None whatsoever. Indeed, the attack attributed to
Muslims has ended French and European sympathy and support for Palestine
and European opposition to more US wars against Muslims. Just recently
France had voted in the UN with Palestine against the US-Israeli
position. This assertion of an independent French foreign policy was
reinforced by the recent statement by the President of France that the
economic sanctions against Russia should be terminated.

Clearly, France was showing too much foreign policy independence. The
attack on Charlie Hebdo serves to cow France and place France back under
Washington’s thumb.

Some will contend that Muslims are sufficiently stupid to shoot
themselves in the head in this way. But how do we reconcile such alleged
stupidity with the alleged Muslim 9/11 and Charlie Hebdo professional
attacks?

[Bear]

I don't think the Charlie Hebdo attack was that sophisticated - it just took
a little planning, not a hell of a lot. The shooters could also assume - correctly -
that the chances of anyone resisting or defending themselves was near zero.

They knew which cartoonists they wanted because the paper makes no attempt
to hide authorship. They may or may not have known that a staff meeting was
being held, and they did have to ask who was who - they didn't know their targets
by sight.

As far as getting in, that was easy, Wait for someone who approaches the door
and force them to use the keycode to get in. If that didn't work, they could have
just shot the glass out and entered that way.

Bear

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

I don't think the Charlie Hebdo attack was that sophisticated - it just took
a little planning, not a hell of a lot. The shooters could also assume - correctly -
that the chances of anyone resisting or defending themselves was near zero.

They knew which cartoonists they wanted because the paper makes no attempt
to hide authorship. They may or may not have known that a staff meeting was
being held, and they did have to ask who was who - they didn't know their targets
by sight.

As far as getting in, that was easy, Wait for someone who approaches the door
and force them to use the keycode to get in. If that didn't work, they could have
just shot the glass out and entered that way.

Bear

Long before they knew the CIA did it, we did this for our clients out on the coast.  One access code for entry, one for distressed entry.  The issue is most people were too stupid or too lazy to remember ONE access code, nevermind the one they never used.

[socalserf]

I don't think the Charlie Hebdo attack was that sophisticated - it just took
a little planning, not a hell of a lot. The shooters could also assume - correctly -
that the chances of anyone resisting or defending themselves was near zero.

That's my take on it too.
Not professionals, not master gun men, just well armed and very aggressive.
And they went through the flock of bleating sheep like a hot knife goes through butter.
One of the reasons TPTB need to label them pros is so people can be convinced that resistance
is futile and absolutely must be left in the hands of a multi billion dollar security apparatus.
(Dispite constant failure.)
"You peasants could never use an affordable Glock effectively!!"

[mouse]

Make sense to you?

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=49355

The Charlie Hebdo affair has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation. The attack on the cartoonists’ office was a disciplined professional attack of the kind associated with highly trained special forces; yet the suspects who were later corralled and killed seemed bumbling and unprofessional. It is like two different sets of people.

 Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat. Their identity was allegedly established by the claim that they conveniently left for the authorities their ID in the getaway car. Such a mistake is inconsistent with the professionalism of the attack and reminds me of the undamaged passport found miraculously among the ruins of the two WTC towers that served to establish the identity of the alleged 9/11 hijackers.

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[MamaLiberty]

Make sense to you?

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=49355

Already posted a little way down in the thread. Made sense to me.

[mouse]

Already posted a little way down in the thread. Made sense to me.

I can't apologise enough, I read it too, and I still didn't twig, my brain has turned to mush with this unseasonal heat we are having.  It was 30 degrees c. today.  I couldn't stand to live in a place where it is this hot all the time.

I'm thinking of moving to Alaska or Switzerland.  The kids might not agree though.

[MamaLiberty]

I can't apologise enough, I read it too, and I still didn't twig, my brain has turned to mush with this unseasonal heat we are having.  It was 30 degrees c. today.  I couldn't stand to live in a place where it is this hot all the time.

No worries, mate. LOL It is just now 24 degrees F outside, and folks here are enjoying the warm spell. It's all relative, really. I suspect you'd be sick to death of the cold (and long, dark days) very quickly in Alaska. I have no idea what it is like in Switzerland, but it probably has its share of crappy weather too.

[knobster]

Closest most of these average voter peons ever got to actually living life is when their favorite wrestler goes to wrestlemania, or their favorite football team wins and the players and coach make six figures.  Then back to work being a stupid peon without aspirations, ideas or even a single original thought.

Oh golly, don't get me started on this.  Every Monday morning 95% of all conversations I hear in the hallway are all about the game they saw on Saturday or the upcoming game that night.  Grown men, standing around for nearly an hour, talking passionately about every play, every moment, even the coaches favorite damn color!  It drives me absolutely insane.  I'm not a sports fan and I'm not against anyone who enjoys watching them but when that's all you talk about...

Guys walk up to me all the time and drone on and on about "that great catch" or "what was the coach thinking running that play?"  I used to play along and mutter some vague statement of agreement but now I'm up front about it.  "I'm too busy being a dad/husband/provider to waste my time watching a bunch of sweaty men in tights chase a ball up and down the field."  I then get the 'you have three heads and 5 eyeballs' stare. 

This country is circling the drain and as long as the hot wings, football, Dancing with the Stars, beer, wine, and other such pacifiers stay firmly lodged in place, no one will even notice.

My brother-in-law is a huge fan.  He has three sons (ages 5, 8, 10) who are also getting into it.  They can name every single team, the head coach, the defensive coordinator, at least 5-6 players for each team, stats about those players, etc.  Useless freaking knowledge!  Learn something useful dammit!!! 

OK, I'm done venting now.  Back to the thread.  Paris I think it was about.

[stainzblue]

Closest most of these average voter peons ever got to actually living life is when their favorite wrestler goes to wrestlemania, or their favorite football team wins and the players and coach make six figures.  Then back to work being a stupid peon without aspirations, ideas or even a single original thought.

Oh golly, don't get me started on this.  Every Monday morning 95% of all conversations I hear in the hallway are all about the game they saw on Saturday or the upcoming game that night.  Grown men, standing around for nearly an hour, talking passionately about every play, every moment, even the coaches favorite damn color!  It drives me absolutely insane.  I'm not a sports fan and I'm not against anyone who enjoys watching them but when that's all you talk about...

Guys walk up to me all the time and drone on and on about "that great catch" or "what was the coach thinking running that play?"  I used to play along and mutter some vague statement of agreement but now I'm up front about it.  "I'm too busy being a dad/husband/provider to waste my time watching a bunch of sweaty men in tights chase a ball up and down the field."  I then get the 'you have three heads and 5 eyeballs' stare. 

This country is circling the drain and as long as the hot wings, football, Dancing with the Stars, beer, wine, and other such pacifiers stay firmly lodged in place, no one will even notice.

My brother-in-law is a huge fan.  He has three sons (ages 5, 8, 10) who are also getting into it.  They can name every single team, the head coach, the defensive coordinator, at least 5-6 players for each team, stats about those players, etc.  Useless freaking knowledge!  Learn something useful dammit!!! 

OK, I'm done venting now.  Back to the thread.  Paris I think it was about.

Glad I am not the only one that feels EXACTLY the same way.

[mouse]

Well it's not Paris, but it's all the same thing.  I can almost guess why, and even sympathise with it, but I could never condone the way they are going about it.  Is it done this way purposely to make it obvious that it is "a false flag"?  (To perhaps give people - some, as others will always believe anything the PTB say no matter how crazy or illogical it is - the clear message that "we can do anything we want to any of you, any time we like) Or is the PTB really that stupid that they can't even tell lies properly?  Or I am the one who is wrong?

Hmmn, 2015 - the year of the false flag (it's only January, what is going to have happened by November or December?)

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/january2015/160115_set_up.htm

An alleged ISIS-inspired plot to bomb the U.S. Capitol was in fact almost wholly contrived by the FBI, fitting the pattern of previous domestic terror threats, the vast majority of which have been cooked up by the federal agency.

Authorities say 20-year-old Christopher Lee Cornell planned to detonate pipe bombs and then fire on fleeing lawmakers and employees, but his family assert that the young man was never capable of coordinating or funding such a conspiracy on his own.

Cornell's father, John Cornell Sr., told ABC News that his son was "just a typical kid," called his mother "mommy" and had a cat for a best friend.

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[mouse]

Now here's another "problem, solution, justification thing"

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120777/china-blaming-free-speech-paris-terror-attacks-troubling?utm_content=buffercdb0f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

China Is Using 'Charlie Hebdo' to Justify Its Own Crackdown on Free Speech

n January 10, the day 1.5 million people filled Paris's streets in solidarity against the terror attacks in that city, China’s official Xinhua news service published a self-serving editorial arguing that France’s free-wheeling media abetted the attack.

“The world is diverse and there should be limits on press freedom,” read the editorial by Paris bureau chief Ying Qiang. “Unfettered and unprincipled satire, humiliation, and free speech are not acceptable.”

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