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[mouse]

I was reading about this the other day and dismissed it as "sensationalism" and "exaggeration" but I now I am finding little comments about it in unlikely places, like the "comments" section of articles vaguely related to this, so I thought I'd find out what you people make of this.  Is anyone concerned?  Taking this seriously?

It seems that this is all part of an exercise in the military "being prepared for anything", but it does seem odd that they have to have exercises like this in their own country, it must impact on civilians a lot, and the term "preparing for martial law" worries me.  The main question I have is "why"?  As to why Texas has been labelled "hostile" is answered by "for cultural reasons" - that seems utterly ridiculous, unless of course this is code for "their people will probably fight back, and will not be taken hostage, or be enslaved".  Surely this attitude will be common in a heck of a lot of other places too.

Anyway, opinions would be welcome.

http://pushback.us/socom-plans-to-invade-hostile-texas-revealed/

It’s not like Infowars / Alex Jones has a tendency to sensationalize a story or anything… (*grin*), but this exercise is something to be aware of. There is a trend it seems for more and more training being carried-out in our cities and towns, which does make one wonder; why? Put this kind of training together with statements and documents published by Homeland Security about the “homegrown threat to our way of life” and it’s easy to understand why so many of us are paying attention.

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[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

The people are already slaves, as are those who oppress them by violence, they are all the unwitting servants of the hidden hand, who have always come out the winners out of every war in history, regardless of which suckers were "declared" winners.... and they've been at it long since before Mayer Amschel put a red shield above his door.  Mayer was just a smart jew and joined the winners club, knowing that humans were too much stupid monkey and too little smart human to ever rise up and figure it out, and that all it would take is the promise of a bigger piece of pie or a raunchier female to get the average sucker monkey man to betray his comrades and pretend to be among the "rulers" while only being a glorified monkey slave driver himself.

This has not changed as long as this soul has been studying history... and that may span a few lifetimes, if certain mystics be believed... a lot more than a few, at that.

So don't get your hopes up.  Better to be pleasantly surprised than to host yet another betrayal and disappointment.

[mothercirce]

Mother Circe is rooting for the slaves in this program.

[Cyrellys]

Hello Mouse,

It's not just Texas but also New Mexico and a portion of Southern California down on the border that is also labeled hostile. 

We don't know why.  We know that the official reasons don't synch with what is being seen.  The practice is not supposed to start till next month but we're already seeing equipment movement and staging of areas and personnel. 

There's testimony from different communicators filtering in that give information generally saying that the practicing is for gun confiscation, martial law, extraction of red-list individuals, and even relocation south to avoid a cataclysmic yellowstone eruption. 

There is an immense number of people paying attention to it, so it is unlikely that anyone or yourself will be caught unaware if you decide to listen to the chatter.

As anytime, you have to be aware that some presenters of valid information will be prone to sensationalize, misinterpret, and miss pertinent details due to any of a variety of reasons.  Others who should pay attention and consider information from unusual sources, will throw the baby out with the bathwater over palatability, inability to confirm information source or authenticity, and even because the source was not conventional.

It's a wild wild west three-ring circus.

My suggestion.  Start with the videos on youtube of the briefings and formal requests by the event organizers to the small towns 'requesting permission to practice in their community'.  Then read, read, and read some more.  Watch for pdfs on documents from the government that display the behind the scenes policies, recommendations, and opinions.  Look for photos of equipment being moved.  And review the information about the involvement of Walmart.  Then visit the veteran's organizing observation teams at Facebook on their Counter Jade Helm Page.  Another good site to view the subject is AllNewsPipeline.  They look at both conventional information and sometimes unconventional information for consideration.  There are may others out there.

Be aware you are not the only party seeking answers...even system inhabitants seem to be doing this:  http://www.dcclothesline.com/2015/05/22/video-fbi-now-going-door-to-door-interrogating-americans-about-jade-helm-military-exercises-we-follow-up-with-anything-like-that/

We have heard that some system inhabitants like the National Guard are being locked out as to the reason for the practicing.  They're to participate without asking questions apparently.

Keep an open mind and decide where you stand on how you expect your government to conduct itself in any possible situation.

Cyrellys

[MamaLiberty]

Cyrellys, just FYI... mouse lives in New Zealand.

[mouse]

What ever the true "reason" for all this is, it certainly seems that it is all an "over the top" military exercise, with "the powers that be" seemingly taking great delight in "showing force"  and imposing themselves on people.  Seeing pictures accompanying articles about it (yes even if the article is a "move on folks, nothing to see here, so mind you own business" article) I am reminded of movies about invading armies imposing themselves on a town and "showing force".  Personally I think that the main thing behind it is to get people used to having soldiers patrolling their streets, shouting orders at them, taking what they want out of the town and BEING OBEYED - that is a big one.  High ranking military are used to issuing orders and being obeyed, they want to be obeyed by civilians too.  This will be necessary in a martial law situation.  I don't believe that the ptb is preparing for a specific martial law situation, but they do realise that eventually it may well come to that and they want to know how to handle it and they also want civilians not to be too surprised if/when they are rounded up, disarmed and ordered to obey.

I think also (this might be a really unpopular view, but I'll live with that) that the US gov't has realised that it has to "take out" certain "dangerous" (dangerous to them) sections of the population.  It has started by the police mounting this orchestrated "shootout" in Waco with the motorcycle clubs.  So many executions and not a policeman among them ..... pretty amazing.

There can be no other explanation for these military exercises happening on "home turf".  If, as has been claimed, the military is merely practicing for an "overseas war", they would be training on military bases or isolated areas not in American towns.

Sure lots of commentators "misinterpret", "misconstrue", "speculate" or are generally totally strapped for answers.  In that case why do they not get REASONABLE answers from government or the military?

As for "formal requests from the event organisers to the small towns".  Yeah, that turned into kind of a joke, it seems the small towns really didn't have a choice, neither did the private land owners whose property was "commandeered" by the military to "practice" on.

Not too long ago it didn't used to be like this but now when I read of the US gov't, the word "bully" comes to mind.

[MamaLiberty]

Sure lots of commentators "misinterpret", "misconstrue", "speculate" or are generally totally strapped for answers.  In that case why do they not get REASONABLE answers from government or the military?

Can't remember that "reasonable answers" were ever available from government or military.

Not too long ago it didn't used to be like this but now when I read of the US gov't, the word "bully" comes to mind.

Name a government that is not a bully, from the start of recorded history. Have you read "The Real Lincoln?" http://www.amazon.com/Real-Lincoln-Abraham-Agenda-Unnecessary/dp/0761536418/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&sr=1-1&qid=1432468421

Now, there was a bully who didn't seem to care who knew it. It has always been, just expressed in different ways. It remains to be seen just how far they'll take it this time....

[RVM45]

EE…

No, I don't trust the State any farther than I can throw them.

However, if I were in charge of a giant war game, I might conceivably decide arbitrarily that Texas, or Maine or Michigan was "Enemy Territory" and launch my games on that supposition.

It would be like calling the dude who pays White in a game of Chess a racist and oppressor of Black folk…

And honing his skills for a coming racist coup…

I mean everything can't be part of a conspiracy…

Or maybe it can—or at least in this case "IS".


…..RVM45

[mouse]

Can't remember that "reasonable answers" were ever available from government or military.

Sure reasonable answers are available.  They just won't give any.  Leaving the only "answer":  "we will because we can".

And "Name a government that is not a bully, from the start of recorded history".  You got me there, there isn't one.  All governments by definition are bullies, the NZ gov't is certainly a bully (or rather made up of "bullies").

The global attitude has changed today, now it is "I will do anything I want because I am a government employee, and I don't care who knows it, I know it is ridiculous to say that I have a mandate because I was elected and I don't care who knows that either, but now that I am here I will stay here and there's nothing you can do about it because I can and will use all the resources of government - paid for by you - against you".

And RMV45 sure "everything can't be part of a conspiracy" but all this certainly is (actually most things interesting that come out of the ptb are part of conspiracies these days).

[slidemansailor]

The Internet abounds with reports, photos and videos of tanks, armored cars, high-powered weapons, battle aircraft, troops, support vehicles and so much more going to the Operation Blue Helmet Jade Helm target area.

This is a HUGE investment. Ridiculously out of line for an exercise.

Unless your nose is completely useless, this smells real bad.

I am not betting 100% on it being the actual TEOTWAWKI trigger, but anyone betting 100% against it is a damn fool.

[StillaGhost]

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[DiabloLoco]

 
  What is this concentration of elite units is doing in Cheyenne is anyone's guess , however I have my inklings.

Do tell! What are your instincts saying? I really do want to hear your take on it.

I could be (and most likely AM) wrong about this, but my instincts are still telling me that there will be severe economic turmoil starting in October. Do you think that's what this is all about?

[RVM45]

EE…..

This is opposed to my first take on the subject, but…

At a time when the military is stretched thin and in the process of dramatic downsizing—does it make economic sense to indulge in grand and glorious war games on a far larger scale than ever before?

Someone once said:

"It isn't so much a Conspiracy. It is more an artifact of the fact that they all THINK ALIKE."

Yeah, it could be a bona fide Conspiracy…


But I can also imagine a bunch of high brass too cautious to share their concerns openly with each other wondering how they would apply martial law when the time comes.


…..RVM45

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

What gets me is this.  Wyoming people are government worshipers of the worst kind.  If the government is conservative christian and pro gun (obviously they're lying about it, but Wyomingites will buy it and vote for it) and pro war, as the only industries are heavily big government related and all other business is heavily discouraged with incredible levels of aggression by locals (mechanics and parts shops might do okay, pretty much everything else is fought tooth and nail.)

So with that in mind, why would they want to "pacify" Wyoming with such ridiculous levels of force?  All the field craft in the world won't make up for the fact that THERE IS NO COVER in Wyoming, outside of maybe the Black Hills and Wind River Canyon and the Tetons (more Idaho than Wyoming.)  The rest of the state is so open and devoid of proper cover from overflying drones and hostile aircraft, that you cannot get to a safe location before your anti thermal vision shielding heats up like a pop tart on a hot stove.

There aren't many serious towns to hide in.  The food is pretty scarce except in the aforementioned "greenie" zones.  Hunting out in the open is an invitation to hostile detection.  A big town might be easier to choke point, but a big town can present levels of resistance and places to hide and resist that little towns and even wooded areas will not present with ease.  And the rest of Wyoming is OPEN RANGE.

Of course, its also possible they just finished reading Molon Labe and they want to prevent Boston T. Party ahem, I mean "Governor Preston" from taking over Wyoming's potentially still existing nuclear arsenal and becoming a nuclear power.  (Do I need to put "endsarcasm" here?)

Right now there's just too many ifs, even if the last one is a joke made by me, I wouldn't be surprised if that's "the real reason."  I've been known to be prophetically right.  If only I'd listened to my sense and left the damn country, eh?  I had to move to Wyoming and get surrounded by clicquish fundies and clicquish anything elses too.  Yeah, real schmart that time.  I guess we're all entitled to one career destroying stupid move in a lifetime... eh?

[StillaGhost]

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