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[penguinsscareme]

I was at a gun shop last weekend, and the proprietor had quite a bit of NFA stuff for sale, including things I have never seen in person before, such as an MG34, an MP40, a couple Stens, a BAR, and a Sterling. We got to talking, and he eventually asked if a transferable machine gun was something I would be interested in investing in.

Investing in? That got me to thinking. There is incentive for gun dealers to want to see SBRs, SBSs, or suppressed weapons deregulated. Those things are legal to make and possess, but they require a $200 tax stamp to transfer every time you transfer them. And that isn't profitable for anyone. Get rid of the tax stamp, and you instantly reduce the price of the product pretty significantly. Therefore, manufacturers and dealers would sell more of them.

Machine guns, on the other hand, aren't like that. Machine guns are worth tens of thousands of dollars, because they aren't being made anymore. Their value rises every year. If it became legal to manufacture machine guns again, a lot of people would lose out on their investments. Therefore, there is a five-figure disincentive for collectors and dealers to deregulate machine guns.

It's a bit like drug dealers opposing drug legalization.

[mothercirce]

Mother Circe thinks that the NFA is null and void. Does Marbury v. Madison nullify the NFA on arrival ? Any law that is in direct conflict with the "constitution" is null and void. Mother Circe takes delight in governments ability to corrupt and pervert just about everything, everywhere. Mother Circe smiles from PATMOS !

(the constitution is clearly null and void in Mother Circe's opinion, but that's a whole other can of something.)

[penguinsscareme]

You are strange and off-putting.

[DiabloLoco]

You are strange and off-putting.

Leave it to PSM to sum it all up in as few words as possible.

[Silver]

It's an excellent point, PSM.  The artificial scarcity created by prohibition of these goods has driven prices far above anything a free market would bear. That creates an incentive for those who own the scarce goods to keep them scarce.

I have no idea how the owners of NFA-registered items feel about this.  I've met some cynical rich(ish) men who would have no problem at all supporting continued prohibition because it might put a few more 4- or 5-figure checks into their account.  Truly rich men don't worry over much about such sums when there is no real chance to make it a regular habit. 

I've also met plenty of fire-breathing genuine RKBA supporters who have coughed up the money, or inherited, some of these items.  They wouldn't blink an eye of if the asking price were drop substantially after a change in rules.

These items will always have a premium for antique and historical value; even if production resumed, you can't make a 1940's vintage item any more.

So it seems to me that the next question is "How would owners and dealers of NFA-registered items respond to this disincentive?"  My guess (just a guess) is that owners would split, while more dealers would follow their wallet, because this is how they make their living.

Peace,

Silver

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

You are strange and off-putting.

Wow... sarcasm and reverse psychology is wasted on people who don't get it.  Her/His/Its comments are hilarious if you realize they are MEANT to put you off.  They are said the same way you or I might say "I wish Obama got a third term" and quietly and aside we probably would say "at least then the morons would get it" or something to that effect.

[Moonbeam]

You are strange and off-putting.

Wow... sarcasm and reverse psychology is wasted on people who don't get it.

Moonbeam does not see sarcasm or offense in PSM's message. Moonbeam sees European Herald pleased with pseudo Joni Mitchell. Moonbeam likes strange friendship between flesh human and cyborg. Moonbeam smiles from Cupid's Perch!

 

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

You are strange and off-putting.

Wow... sarcasm and reverse psychology is wasted on people who don't get it.

Moonbeam does not see sarcasm or offense in PSM's message. Moonbeam sees European Herald pleased with pseudo Joni Mitchell. Moonbeam likes strange friendship between flesh human and cyborg. Moonbeam smiles from Cupid's Perch!

 

Well, someone got it.  Didn't expect it from you.  Hat's off to you, ma'am!

[Moonbeam]

Well, someone got it.  Didn't expect it from you.  Hat's off to you, ma'am!

Moonbeam sees insult before nice gesture. Moonbeam wishes European flesh human would use intellect to add positivity to conversations already started. Moonbeam thinks European flesh human's wit could be useful and efficient with others if European flesh human desired. Moonbeam cries from Blue State!

[MamaLiberty]

Moonbeam sees insult before nice gesture. Moonbeam wishes European flesh human would use intellect to add positivity to conversations already started. Moonbeam thinks European flesh human's wit could be useful and efficient with others if European flesh human desired. Moonbeam cries from Blue State!

For crying out loud, please stop talking like that! AGGGGGHHHH  One such on this forum is already one too many.

[mothercirce]

Moonbeam sees insult before nice gesture. Moonbeam wishes European flesh human would use intellect to add positivity to conversations already started. Moonbeam thinks European flesh human's wit could be useful and efficient with others if European flesh human desired. Moonbeam cries from Blue State!

For crying out loud, please stop talking like that! AGGGGGHHHH  One such on this forum is already one too many.

Mother Circe titters from Patmos !

[Silver]

I gotta go with ML.  It's creepy, like some sort of contagious virus.  Instead of undead, our former friends become brain dead.  Ewww.

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam sees insult before nice gesture. Moonbeam wishes European flesh human would use intellect to add positivity to conversations already started. Moonbeam thinks European flesh human's wit could be useful and efficient with others if European flesh human desired. Moonbeam cries from Blue State!

For crying out loud, please stop talking like that! AGGGGGHHHH  One such on this forum is already one too many.

Mother Circe titters from Patmos !

I know, right?! Haters gotta hate! j/k 

MOTHERCIRCE – Moonbeam sees the liberation in speaking in the third person as it mentally removes accountability! Moonbeam does not find talking in the third person creepy. Moonbeam can speak in third person without batting an eye because Moonbeam has been referring to herself in the third person since she first gave birth almost 7 years ago. Moonbeam recognizes that it is the nature of the beast when stepping into Mommy Territory. Moonbeam was beginning to ease out of that phase when BAM! she had a third child. So while Moonbeam might be lingering for just a tad longer in the third person arena, she fully acknowledges that it is just a season of life when one speaks to their offspring this way. Among adults, Moonbeam uses adult dialogue and is thankful she has never slipped up and used Toddler World words like, “potty” and “night night” and “did you poop/tootle?” Moonbeam encourages Mothercirce to join other adults by using first person dialogue and enjoy the doors it opens. Moonbeam also kindly asks Mothercirce to stop referring to others as “flesh humans,” because Moonbeam agrees with PSM – that is indeed a bit off-putting.

MAMA, SILVER and PSM – I meant no offense! Though I do have moments of feeling angry, sad, bewildered, and frustrated, I am not typically a serious person – something I thought that has been conveyed over the years here despite my not using the sweet smileys all the time. And I just naturally assume that others want me to share my jolly personality –ha! It was also not my intention to highjack the thread, PSM. Who knew that speaking in the third-fleshy-human-person would be so affective with Destin?! And before Destin and his favorite gal-pal get their pantaloons wrinkled, I do believe that Destin is man enough to handle some good natured ribbing! Now, if y’all will excuse me I am going to go converse with some Little Turkey’s who have never complained about the way I am...

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

Moonbeam.

I won't use that speech but I'll emote, instead.

* Destin Faruda thinks you're certainly right and won't be sulking, taking his ball and going home like a little weenie bitch, well, certainly not for being picked on by an amusing, if occasionally opposing view.

* Destin Faruda would require a lot of actual abuse to ragequit an internet forum, of all things!

* Destin Faruda might leave the freedom movement altogether after having fully read the case papers for that idiot in Montana who seemingly is either a mole giving the goobermint a pretext, or a complete frothing at the mouth IDIOT advocating violence and then being such a weakling that he didn't stand behind his own words... not even a resisting arrest charge...

* Destin Faruda thinks that if this the best foot our team can put forward, he'd rather hang out in Denver or Seattle with potheads who actually practice more real life freedom and actually have far more success passing freedom enhancing legislation that our side ever did, that and much better coffee and conversation!!!

* Destin Faruda thinks that's enough emotes and will head over to read other posts and comment in first person, instead.

[Byte Me]

I was at a gun shop last weekend, and the proprietor had quite a bit of NFA stuff for sale, including things I have never seen in person before, such as an MG34, an MP40, a couple Stens, a BAR, and a Sterling. We got to talking, and he eventually asked if a transferable machine gun was something I would be interested in investing in.

Investing in? That got me to thinking. There is incentive for gun dealers to want to see SBRs, SBSs, or suppressed weapons deregulated. Those things are legal to make and possess, but they require a $200 tax stamp to transfer every time you transfer them. And that isn't profitable for anyone. Get rid of the tax stamp, and you instantly reduce the price of the product pretty significantly. Therefore, manufacturers and dealers would sell more of them.

Machine guns, on the other hand, aren't like that. Machine guns are worth tens of thousands of dollars, because they aren't being made anymore. Their value rises every year. If it became legal to manufacture machine guns again, a lot of people would lose out on their investments. Therefore, there is a five-figure disincentive for collectors and dealers to deregulate machine guns.

It's a bit like drug dealers opposing drug legalization.

A few notes about your post PSM - manufacture/import of post '86 machine guns has not stopped and is not illegal.  Permission must first be acquired, however, and there are manufacturers in the USSA that still do, in fact, manufacture machine guns.  A certain protected class still has carte blanc permission to purchase & possess said machine guns.  Any guesses as to which class that would be?  Also, they still purchase their machine guns at reasonable market value.  A Colt M4 select fire weapon for special humans runs less than $2k.  Under contract the fed gov buys them for it's soldiers for around $600.

What is illegal is to manufacture/import post '86 machine guns for sale to non special human beings!  Hope that clears up any questions.   

The general sentiment of your post is spot on though.  There definitely is an incentive to maintain the status quo for the pre '86 existing machine gun owners.