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[Cyrellys]

UPDATE Cont.

From Email:  May 22, 2015  T (Manticore Group observer on DA Material) to Cyrellys

Cy,
Has DA reacted in any shape of form to a F2F in ----------?
T

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From Email:  May 22, 2015 Cyrellys to T

F2F?   Define?  We haven't discussed -------------- but I could ask.  DA said last night that their people do not believe Americans will do anything until the NWO moves to confiscate guns and round up people.  This is correct.  It's because of the necessity to maintain the moral high ground. That means when conflict happens here it will be fast and brutal as both sides will try to surpass the other in shear speed.  I'm hearing no quarter to be given to the NWO attackers if they move on the people.  Especially to anyone from outside the country who dares to help the criminals.  The anger is such it won't stop at the borders of the US if it starts, I think.  That means Britain & Germany who have troops mixed up here with them to participate with the UN in gun confiscation and JH15 is at risk.  IT's gonna be a blood bath, and if they light off Yellowstone & New Madrid, there won't be a DUMB deep enough on this planet to hide in because when the fighting is done, they'll dig holes to China to get at the criminals.  If I were a nice enough person to give the crime syndicate a word of friendly advice, it'd be 'stand-down'.

Cy

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From Email:  T to Cyrellys May 22 2015

F2F = Face to face in -------------- with them and us.


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From Email:  Cyrellys to T May 22 2015

Yes I did hear about that topic.  The first thing that happened with it, was their military person "(snip)" walked away from the conversation.  The person whose name is J----------- became exclusively involved and very directly engaged via email and shortly after went public at (snip) with their identity.  J-------- informed us that (snip) left the conversation because we asked about doing F2F.  J----------- said they would not do a F2F.

(snip)

Cy

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Reply Email:  May 22, 2015 T------ to Cyrellys

Mmmmmm.......

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From Email May 22 2015  Cyrellys to T

It was very clear that the refusal to do the F2F had nothing to do with location or who we are.  It had to do with the F2F request itself.  My intuitive impression is that it was because it would compromise their situation...'rules'?...treaty? on their end?  They'd be in some sort of violation.  Was the impression.  Big question mark on that since it is intuition and that's always questionable.

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From Email:  May 22 2015  T---------- to Cyrellys

Indeed, very easy to bla-bla in the internet ether, so I am sus on this. But that's me.😉

Be well
T

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From Email:  May 22 2015   Cyrellys to T ----------

Agreed.  There was never any proof on any of this.  And apparently no proof to be had on the Yellowstone/New Madrid either.  The whole of that they report is underground...that the cabal is using the submarine entrances to ship in the helium, methane, corexit mixture then pump it at a point within the underground to its final location beneath those sites.  So there's apparently nothing to see or find above ground.

The whole point of telling the two groups they did, was to 'shine the light on it' because that usually works to bring something to a halt.

I have the impression that while they have J-------------- engaged with us, there is the other hand among them that doesn't give us much credence because we could not cause a immediate and direct command of the general population in a way that would alter the current situational setup.  Our influence is determined to be limited so there's a limit to what they can or will do.  Like their stress that we must be the ones to break the treaty (snip).  If they do it, then it causes them to be withdrawn by whoever is behind them.  DA did say that if the NWO moves on the population in the US that that act would constitute a break in the treaty or justify their side regarding it nullified.  Thus freeing them to act more directly.

Cy

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Reply Email:  May 22, 2015  T--------  to Cyrellys

I am checking with real experts on this so-called jello mix to see if its even possible. Stay tuned

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Reply Email:  May 22 2015  T-------- to Cyrellys

Some possibly related patents:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3805537.html

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4305256.html

http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.hu/2012/10/dave-hodges-commonsense-show-connecting.html?m=1

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Leila_Hamdan/publication/269823824_Effects_of_COREXIT_EC9500A_on_bacteria_from_a_beach_oiled_by_the_Deepwater_Horizon_spill/links/00b495176b2656a77a000000.pdf?inViewer=true

Corexit seems to have a contaminant effect on ground water.... So polluting ground water is the same as the tracking nightmares all over USA, hence could be part of the Depop plan... ?

Seems that methyl alcohol can be a gelling agent. But its likely that is more a flammable product, as opposed to being "unstable", so their comments are likely a misnomer.

Regards
T--------

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From Email:  May 22 2015  T---- to Cyrellys

Link on u/g caverns

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/read/10077

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From Email:  May 22 2015 Naconah to T & Cyrellys

Re:  Omnipotence:  And it never will...I read deep state discourse back in the late 1990s that the war on terror was meant to  be classified as LIC...low intensity conflict and that it was meant to empower the MIC and bureaucrats and was never meant to be won, like the war on crime, on drugs, on poverty and so on...I can vouch personally in regards to that. It was, and is all a chimera driving cabal profits and power.  The people are noting more than expendable assets in this schema.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/21/fbi-admits-patriot-act-snooping-powers-didnt-crack/

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Reply from T to Naconah & Cyrellys 05/22/15

Absolutely concur

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From Email:  May 22, 2015 T---------- to Cyrellys

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corexit

actually they other way to look at mixing COREXIT into this alleged gel is..

1. COREXIT is that actual gelifying agent.

2. They need that to break down substrate oil deposits that are in the fissures they are pumping into, as the crude oil may decrease the explosive power or

3. its a red herring and has no purpose, but to confuse us.

Still awaiting my boffins input, so we will see

T

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Reply From Email:  Cyrellys to T--------  May 22 2015

Thanks T,  on both these emails.  IT's the most clarifying information anyone has yet been able to find on this.  I don't know if it makes a difference but one of my last emails with DA said that this technology originated with DARPA.

Cy


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From Email May 23 2015  T------ to Cyrellys

You know Cy, I come back again to one aspect of the DA thread, and their 40M deaths number. That is not Depop of 95%. Its a catastrophic event, but not and ELE, and they don't want a F2F. All strange at best.

I am not sure based on prelim Intell. that the jello mix is what they say, as there are many other organic and chemical mixes that would magnify an explosion.
My boffins promised a reply next days. Funny, as one on them is ex-DARPA, but that means nothing, as its like saying ex-NASA, as there are so many sub-groups in the whole octopus organization of these agencies.
Will advise.
T

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Reply Email:  May 23 2015  Cyrellys to T-------

Thanks for this T,  The 40M as I understand it is the number of US citizens (Christians & Redlist) in the first wave that are extermination only as I understand it.  They will not be sorted by DHS and the algorithm.  DA describes it as a major event.

The alternative meaning if I have the above incorrect would be by inference the Yellowstone/New Madrid event...the number of people such an event prior to the cyclic cataclysm would eliminate...like a stage 1 event.

I can verify which is accurate with DA in next email.

Cy

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Reference same day dialog on Kentucky Family Seized...wrt JH15.  Uproar over no response from Kentucky Militias. 

related:  http://www.stevequayle.com/index.php?s=33&d=1420

related:  Email 05-23-2015  (withheld)  to Cyrellys

Cy et al,
Don't be too hard on the militias and their apparent lack of response. The family attack is a tactic, akin to a recon team probing the defenses reaction and hence strength. There will be more isolated, sporadic similar ones, and if JDH15 really starts to do what alt media is saying, then this will blow up fast, and then its on for real, and not a sideshow like Ferguson etc. We know a civil war is coming, it will be a question of how intense and for how long. Not pretty, I know, but the chess pieces strategically and tactically are all on place, the timing is the unknown (to us as targets). I have on the ground witnessed the society (human) side of wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa (Somalia), and most recently Ukraine. The situation degenerates to primeval survival level rapidly. Don't rely on others, prepare your own plans as best you can, and watch from afar if possible, as you have more option

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[Silver]

As soon as I saw "Helium 6" my bullshit detector started blaring.  Helium 6 has a half-life of 806.7 ms. It decays into lithium, and gives off an electron (beta particle.)  Oh, and you need a particle accelerator to make it; it does not exist naturally.  You will never make enough to fill a thimble before it decays.  Nobody is pumping this into the ground. 

That doesn't mean other stuff isn't being pumped into the ground, for whatever reasons, nefarious or otherwise.  But if you want people to believe a story, all it's parts have to be believable.

Take care,

Al

What Al said.

This is BS.  Darpa doesn't do nuclear physics, and vague, unsupported claims of advanced tech are just more BS on the heap.

I'm not interested in conspiracy theories, but in the facts of conspiracies.  There are no facts here.

Read this tripe if it entertains you, but this is nothing more than a rather pathetic fantasy.

Peace,

Silver

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[StillaGhost]

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[Cyrellys]

Related Information

Subject - DUMBS

From 2008 but excellent pics; a few repeats. 8 minute video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEDAE_9v4h0

My favorite pic's in the above video is the ships at the underground dock.

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From 2005
http://www.purdue.edu/uns/html4ever/2005/050420.Ausenbaugh.mine.html

Underground crops could be future of 'pharming'

Quote:  WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - Corn grows just as well - if not better - underground as in a typical greenhouse setting or in the field, according to a team of Purdue University researchers that is working with a company to develop techniques for tightly controlled production of crops containing pharmaceuticals such as antibodies.
Westin Rink & Doug Ausenbaugh
operate a growth chamber
Download photo
caption below

The scientists, in partnership with Controlled Pharming Ventures LLC of McCordsville, Ind., have designed and built a crop-growth facility inside a 60-acre former limestone mine in Marengo, a small town in southern Indiana. The first test crop, planted in the underground facility late last fall, produced more corn in a shorter time period than plants grown in a greenhouse on the Purdue campus, said Cary Mitchell, a Purdue professor of horticulture.

"This first planting performed very well," Mitchell said. "We've shown that you can successfully grow crops underground in a lighted but completely contained facility. What we have here is a perfect model for controlled-environment agriculture. This could jump-start a whole industry."

(snip)

More info at link.

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Dialog on underground ecosystem

http://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/562/food-sources-for-an-undergound-city

Be sure to also note the small column on the right with its related links...note subject matter.

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The Alberino Analysis - Deep Underground Military Bases
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF86-hl7DlY
Published on Sep 16, 2014
In this episode, Timothy Alberino analyzes Deep Underground Military Bases, and the amazing testimony of Phil Schneider.

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[Cyrellys]

That's not the point SaG. 

The point is they were focused on experimenting growing agricultural products underground.  They invested money and man power.  It's the thought process, not the obvious.  Note the large scale.

We track massive sprawling patterns through culture, ideology, thought processes...it doesn't matter that we happen to think something is out in left field...it's not about us.  It's about what THEY think; their purposes, impetus, and imperatives.

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Your posts on the chemistry were very good.  It is always useful to examine what the norm is for comparison purposes.  In our neck of the woods, it is not unusual to be reviewing word of technology that does not become common knowledge or clearly understood for another decade.  This is why we often refer to it as the deep end of the pool. 

Your contributions are good but be careful on the expression cynicism.  I've been burnt being as cynical as yourself at this time.  But that small wisdom comes with experience.  For now a little cynicism is healthy.

Cy

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[Cyrellys]

That's not the point SaG. 



Your contributions are good but be careful on the expression cynicism.  I've been burnt being as cynical as yourself at this time.  But that small wisdom comes with experience.  For now a little cynicism is healthy.

Cy

 
 
 
   Sigghhhhh , yeah I'm just too stupid to " get the point"........since that rather seems to be your opinion , developed of course from the " hillbilly up the mountain with too many guns" persona portrayed..........obviously the operational word is " stereotype"....
 
 
   So I'll just say what I gotta say and move on.
 
    Contrary to whay *you* think Cy , it's *you* and certain others that are consistently missing the point , wasting time and spinning your wheels ( while the juggernaut is bearing down on us) whilst falling directly into the misinformation trap set by the PTB , the corollary being that it gives an impression of the sort of looniness we all are constantly accused of.
 
  Ask yourself this , why was that Silver and Alchemist have to point out to you the degradtion factors of Helium-6 and the fact that it doesn't exist outside the lab , much less in sufficient quantities to be pumped into a teacup , much less 2k miles plus of pipeline.
 
   And then we have that.the socalled "pipeline" , along with " horizontal drilling".......and a host of other subjects pertinent to this smoke screen that are getting trumpeted about by folks who actually really don't know shit from shinola on the subject.
 
   And YEAH *I* do know these segments of the oil/gas industry , so I know how utterly and completely ridiculous the postulation of a pipeline from the Gulf to Yellowstone and " pumping methane" that distance makes y'all appear.
 
  And while y'all run down the Rabbit Trails of all this utter crap , what's REALLY coming down the pipe at ya sneaks a few feet closer whilst you're distracted by wonderfully odoriferous repositories of male bovine excremental leavings , left specifically for the purposes of distraction and division of resources.
 
  In closing , and specific to you Cy. I don't bear quite the burden of the severe lack of intellect , rational thought process ,education or direct experience that you seem to be of the opinion that I suffer from.
 
   I rather get annoyed when folks try to lead me by the nose , don't you?
 
   And a "warning" as regards cynical attitude developed from direct experience? Really?

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SaG, what I have said has never implied I thought your intelligence level was low.  On the contrary, I would not be taking the time I have over the last few weeks to speak with you if I did.  Headhunters are a dime a dozen and not worth the time they beg.  I don't see you as that sort of person.  A little rough around the edges as far as communication skills go, and obviously tending to the hostile side which I assume is a consequence of a series of legitimately bad prior experiences somewhere in your life, but OVERALL you offer excellent commentary rebuttals and questions which are VERY valid.  Any issue you have beyond that is not worth walking away over.

Please understand, I look at the content and intent of your responses first and see someone I can greatly respect.  I fully understand you do not know me.  I'm a newcomer here.  You don't know the first thing about my background or experience, and even less about what I do.  You are very correct to question all of it. 

Now as to the material.  I posted some updates, and I believe one of the updates had a section that addressed the question of distance drilling.  The communicator offered a correction on my understanding.  He said that the drilling is being done from an underground location somewhere off of one of the subterranean submarine access tunnels.  The drilling in the gulf went to a location closer to that area. 

As to the ability to do horizontal drilling...the following links show they have the experience of horizontal drilling for 2 miles or better.

Rescuers Plan to Drill Third Hole in Search for Miners | KSL ...
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1626349
Aug 12, 2007 - Rescuers trying to find six miners missing for a week deep inside a ... well for the rescue miners digging their way horizontally through tunnels ...

6 Trapped After Utah Coal Mine Collapse - ABC News
abcnews.go.com › USABC News
Aug 6, 2007 - Rescue teams are racing to reach six miners who are trapped 1,500 feet ... including horizontal drilling, to try to reach the trapped miners from ...

[PDF]Leading the Rescue of the Miners in Chile - Wharton Digital ...
wdp.wharton.upenn.e...
Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania
Teniente mine, Codelco, and deputy chief at the rescue site, December 22, 2010; Cristián Barra, ... Thirty-three miners, drilling 700 meters (2,300 feet) below.

Directional Drilling
http://www.layne.com/en/about/plan-b.aspx

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Contrary to whay *you* think Cy , it's *you* and certain others that are consistently missing the point , wasting time and spinning your wheels ( while the juggernaut is bearing down on us) whilst falling directly into the misinformation trap set by the PTB , the corollary being that it gives an impression of the sort of looniness we all are constantly accused of.

This comment is understandable considering the many points within the tale being told which requires the purveyor to have already a basic knowledge in the alternative paradigm.  If I were spinning my wheels in this paradigm, then I highly doubt I'd be routinely speaking with uniformed service professionals of high education, experience, and awareness levels.  But I do...and they aren't just American.  In fact I routinely spend time speaking with some who know far more than I do...as in verifiable information or information that is far from common which I knew and was surprised to find they did...info not in the public venue.  Does this more clearly answer your assumption above?

Quite frankly this tale we've been following is barely a drop in the bucket when it comes to the fantastic side of the paradigm.  I can only imagine the choking that would ensue if you had the whole picture beyond this tale which I've been privy to.  This is a sociological observation. It's why I often will remark that "truth is stranger than fiction".  I wouldn't say that without good reason.

Now, if you truly believe this is a misinformation trap, then you are welcome to walk away and not look back, but I think there is something about it that intrigues you as much as it does myself and that is the primary reason you still follow it.

  Ask yourself this , why was that Silver and Alchemist have to point out to you the degradtion factors of Helium-6 and the fact that it doesn't exist outside the lab , much less in sufficient quantities to be pumped into a teacup , much less 2k miles plus of pipeline.

Yes I'm well aware of the degradation factor AND the short lifespan AND the issue with the quantities.  I knew it long before you, Silver, or Alchemist knew it.  HOWEVER, there are two pieces here:  a. DARPA is involved.  b. we've been duly informed that this is part of a subset of knowledge belonging to the "more than 50 years ahead of the best information in the public realm" which is a coded reference to knowledge whose roots originate in the TTPs (Technology Transfer Programs).  TTPs are USAP based programs and operate under the auspices of a certain treaty, which I won't go into.  Some of the bodies of knowledge emerging from the TTPs include nano-technology, super conductors, bio-genetic engineering, etc.

I currently have a foreign retired military friend who knows of a gel-ing agent that might be applicable in this scenario...he's checking with his buddies.  I might hear back this week or next.


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  And while y'all run down the Rabbit Trails of all this utter crap , what's REALLY coming down the pipe at ya sneaks a few feet closer whilst you're distracted by wonderfully odoriferous repositories of male bovine excremental leavings , left specifically for the purposes of distraction and division of resources.

Yes SaG, I'm WELL aware of what's creeping down the trail at us...moreso than most.  I'm a member of Ghosttroop 2006-2014, Oathkeepers (from its inception), Manticore Group, and Montana's Liberty Leaders Group.  I'm also the founder of Compass Morainn, which is currently back in stasis.

What's creeping up the trail at us?  Civil War.  Extractions of prominent individuals.  Sorting by DHS via a certain algorithm and based on the electronic file they keep on EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THE USA.  95% Depopulation, in congruency with the treaty and a former old guard tradition based on sociological control landmarks.  Yardfarming whole communities by the NWO personnel.  AND a cyclic cataclysm that comes through here every roughly 3600 years augmented by a 26,000 year passage of our solar system through a section of space that is physiologically hostile to carbon based lifeforms.  AND our electromagnetic shielding of the planet is failing.  Pole reversal is already in progress...a perfect storm that includes termination genetics of plantlife seeded by gmo crops which transfer a portion of their genes to wild plantlife, AND seeding of the atmosphere with toxic metals and nano-particles...oh and lets not forget the 'escape' of genetic-target oriented bio-organisms and bio-weapons.

Did I miss anything?  It's a wild, wild west three ring circus out there, but I reiterate that probably a bit too much.  Shrug.  I do try not to scare the minions but I'm not one of the 5% slated by the system lords for salvage.  How many of them do you suppose 5% of 7-9 billion actually constitutes?

I haven't disappeared off the map yet, so the fat lady hasn't yet sung.  And as more wake up to what's going on, the less the chance I would have to disappear with my family into the woodwork.  Yes I know more than most would be comfortable about knowing wrt what's coming at us.  As does your host Elias.  While Elias is writing and assisting Oathkeepers my forte is intergroup relations and communication.  The strange is just part of the territory. 

Imagine seeing a photo of the NASA orange restricted parking pass, alongside a mission patch for the Shuttle Mission STS 135, and find out its related to extraterrestrial contact.  THAT's weird...unless you have the right paradigm pattern in your hand.  (and this last tidbit is not part of the tale we've been discussing...only proffered as an example of the multifaceted subject phenomenon across the big picture.)

The other reason for going to the trouble to lay all of this dialog out with you, is it serves to illustrate the relational situation to the other observers here, as to the differences in defining reality between those in the surface world and those in the deep state.  I routinely here how it is so confusing...why would the system inhabitants be doing these things or planning these things? 

It's because your reality distinctly differs from theirs.

Now you were saying?

Cy
Truth is stranger than fiction and what you don't know CAN and WILL try to kill you at some point.

[StillaGhost]

 
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[Cyrellys]

SaG, I don't know if I believe the story anymore than you do.  I only know that it's a distinctly supported paradigm that the tale is said to be a part of.  Maybe it's impossible to run a tunnel or many tunnels from one end of the US to another.  Perhaps all the people who've been on that reputed maglev train are full of hot air.  Not my job to be a final authority in authenticity.  I'm just a intergroup mediator. 

[StillaGhost]

 
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[DiabloLoco]

 
 
  Hell if you want to worry about what's " underground" look to Dugway , Nellis , White Sands a whole host of other places that actually have something underground.

I think that Fort Hood has a rather extensive underground base too. Killeen base. It used to be used for nukes, but it's really anybody's guess what goes on in there now.

[StillaGhost]

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[Cyrellys]

Yes SaG I went and pulled what looked like relevant pictures to me off the net.  Look at the walls.

You yourself pulled what you believe was relevant information off the net wrt decay, degradation, and more too.  What's good for the gander is not good for the goose?  You tell me that it's impossible to build tunnels large enough for submarines or ships...and I find some.  You tell me it's impossible to tunnel for miles underground through various strata / types of rock, and yet I find some and reports of machines capable of easily doing 7 miles per day.

I'm as entitled to my own questions on this matter as you are to abject cynicism in the face of evidence it may very well be possible. 

Update:

Is in regard to the mid-Atlantic ridge from the Speaker.  The quakes for the last thirty days from top to bottom of the ridge near the antarctic are almost all at a depth of 10 km.  They say this is the maximum depth the underground is capable of going.  This is interesting because a few years ago, we at the so called 'weird' threshold were informed that a certain quake up near the arctic circle which did not line up with any known faultlines was having repeated quakes.  Sure enough at that time a check of the USGS at that location showed a series of quakes at 10 km.  The communicator of that information (different from this one on Yellowstone/NewMadrid) said they were digging a new underground DUMB at that location.  This was not common internet knowledge.

The Speaker also mentions what the research community already knows which is the doctoring of the magnitudes by USGS...lowering the magnitudes on the large quakes.

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In a different reply today from the same Speaker, they had this to say about the link to Stewart Rhodes interview on the Common Sense show this weekend:

Mr. Rhodes' figure of 20% is not even close to accurate. It is 2.5% at best and less in most other regions within the USA. Their biggest error is this: They expect everyone to come together when the bullets start flying. The problem is those 2.5% who are willing to do something about it will not even know the bullets are flying because the internet will be taken down and as you know the MSM is bought off and will not cover it. They are teaching the wrong message. The first rule in any assault is to take out command and control aka information/communications. You people would be wise to be teaching each other that when the communication (system) goes down; then the battle has begun and to get to any assigned militia or organization. All other steps come after this because nobody will know anything after the false flag happens and someone is blamed. Someone internally within the USA will be blamed and it will probably be veterans and Christians. This is the message you should be spreading.

Also, these big alternative radio hosts need to start calling ISIS (Islamic State Initiative Solution) for what it is: It is Islamic men and woman but primarily men who are 100% controlled and funded by the American CIA. Without the clandestine inner workings of your CIA there would be NO ISIS. ISIS DOES NOT EXIST. THEY ARE ISLAMIC HIRED CONTRACTORS. Many of these people have lost their families to American bombing raids. One countries terrorist is another's freedom fighter and payback is a bitch as you humans say so often. Let me give you an example. Not to be ethnic but allow us to put it in perspective. Lets say potatoes were as valuable as the poppy or oil and your children were out working in your family field you have owned for a hundred years and out of nowhere all of your children who are harvesting this year's crop of potatoes just looked up and saw an American bomber drop a 20,000 lb. bomb on your children; (you) never to see your innocent children again. What would you do? After you made your decision and spoke with your neighbors who had the same thing happen to them. Do you now become a "terrorist", or are you a "freedom fighter-martyr?"

Perception is reality and the news covers up what the truth really is. 97% of Americans still believe commercial airliners hit the twin towers in NYC and building #7 just fell down by itself. Now, Mr. Rhodes states 20% of humans in America are awake. We beg to differ with his logic. If 20% were awake, a barricade would be placed around congress and all politicians would be fired immediately and the Federal Reserve would be thrown away with their debt which imprisons all of you in a world prison of fake debt without walls. Time does run short and we advise people to wake up and do something about your problem. Everything is scripted and everything is fake, except the coming massacre by the PTB.

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