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[Silver]

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Whether or not the article's authorized sources are authoritative, it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow...

What a load of crap.  Claire's friend or not, the fact that a load of BS supports Sandy's feelz doesn't inform or impress anyone. 

[Bill St. Clair]

Thanks, MamaLiberty. That makes a big difference.

Sorry to doubt you Sandfort, but that's life in the big universe. Welcome to TMM!

[Bill St. Clair]

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Whether or not the article's authorized sources are authoritative, it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow...

What a load of crap.  Claire's friend or not, the fact that a load of BS supports Sandy's feelz doesn't inform or impress anyone.

Interesting that you doubt this, Silver. I'm surprised that it's taken so long.

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

Sandy, you may want to read A Tale of Two Cities.   The old lady knitting the sweater may well have beaten your story to the punch by... oh, say... 400 years!



Jus' sayin'.  Stories about abusive governmentalists out of touch with reality getting whacked after deservingly being put on a list is not as fictional as some folks might think.

Me... I'm not going to advocate anything, but I know first hand from childhood experience, that at some point, shit will snap.  Not that much will change, people would sell their mothers into prostitution just to keep the status quo going.  Violent revolution all over my homeland and those of my ancestors?  Check.  Real change?  No Check.  So don't get your hopes up, unless you and yours and me and mine go and form real checks, real balances and real deterrents to the return of tyranny or the installment of external tyranny (read: conquest) once the revolutionaries finish.

Disposing of tyrannical religionist psychos goes a long way towards that too.

But that would be a set of thesis papers worthy of the fanciest war colleges in history, and I bet they'd struggle just as much as we would to devise a solution that works to keep tyranny out for good.

[Bear]

Just my 2 cents worth:

I don't think there is any 'built-in' line in the sand that will always force a 'blow back' reaction.
At any given time or place I think there are cultural norms that TPTB are wise to respect, at least
until they can move the cultural norm to include whatever it is they want to do.

It is the goal of any agent-provacateur  to goad TPTB into overstepping the line of the current cultural
norm, thus bringing more people into the camp of the resistance.

Ironically, opposition to TPTB may end up making them more successful. By opposing their goals, they
have been slowed own, and their desired changes may seem acceptable. If they had been given free rein
to do what they want, they might have provoked the 'blow back' they are trying to avoid.

Bear

[StillaGhost]

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Whether or not the article's authorized sources are authoritative, it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow...

What a load of crap.  Claire's friend or not, the fact that a load of BS supports Sandy's feelz doesn't inform or impress anyone.

 
 
  Uh huh , and your load of BS above does what exactly? Oh that's right , you're supposed to be able to demonstrate your usual arrogance and hypocrisy and nobody is supposed to point it out because you're " Silver"......

[MamaLiberty]

Another way to look at this...  http://zerogov.com/?p=4480

American Policing and the Coming Domestic Insurgency by Bill Buppert
The federal government apparatus in America has de facto and de jure federalized all police forces. All the cheap talk by the race hooligans of every pigmentation is fatuous and disingenuous at best. It’s done already.

There is no political actor in Washington who has even challenged the narrative and script that every government supremacist edict in America descends from the Feds. From the blunted secession movements like Vermont and Texas to the Drug War to the increasing militarization of the thin black and blue line, one thing becomes crystal clear: the police in the 19,000 departments across America are simply the pointy end (if not intellectually dull and diminished) of all politics. This isn’t simply an American phenomenon. It’s planet-wide and historically correct that absent these armed and uniformed thug forces, no political bad actor could deprive one human being of their liberty and individual volition.

The news and the interwebs are packed with stories and analysis on the emerging violent and capricious police state that is blanketing America. I have written extensively as has the brilliant William Grigg on the morbid details of the police state in all of its grotesque and totalitarian glory.

Now we hear the usual suspects in the government media complex mewling and writing in panic at a “war on police”. No such war exists, yet.

[extended quote with permission]

[Silver]

Interesting that you doubt this, Silver. I'm surprised that it's taken so long.

I doubt everything, most especially those claims that tend to agree with my biases and beliefs. 

ML presented an article.  I refuted it, at length, with actual evidence.  Facts.  The rate of murders and assaults on cops isn't increasing, it is falling.  There are no "targeted killings," there are lone nutjobs, people with serious mental illness, who have murdered randomly.  There are no lists of cops targeted.  There are no documented attempts on the lives of the cops who murdered Eric Garner, Micheal Brown, or any of the other unarmed marks whose deaths were highly publicized.

Sandfort invents a term "killer cops" without defining it or providing a single example.  He asserts that "it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow" without a scintilla of evidence, no examples, no acknowledgement of the facts already posted on the thread.

It's a load of horseshit. 

To your point Bill, I expect blowback, but I'm not at all sure it will come in the form of targeted killings.  Growing public awareness and some level of organized, nonviolent, peaceful protests is far more likely, and more likely to produce results that we desire. 

The advent of ubiquitous video recorders and the internet has changed the way police are viewed; eventually it will change the way they act and how they are held to account.  That doesn't mean change will be easy, quick, or always in a positive direction, but change will come.

Peace,

Silver

[StillaGhost]

Interesting that you doubt this, Silver. I'm surprised that it's taken so long.

I doubt everything, most especially those claims that tend to agree with my biases and beliefs. 

ML presented an article.  I refuted it, at length, with actual evidence.  Facts.  The rate of murders and assaults on cops isn't increasing, it is falling.  There are no "targeted killings," there are lone nutjobs, people with serious mental illness, who have murdered randomly.  There are no lists of cops targeted.  There are no documented attempts on the lives of the cops who murdered Eric Garner, Micheal Brown, or any of the other unarmed marks whose deaths were highly publicized.

Sandfort invents a term "killer cops" without defining it or providing a single example.  He asserts that "it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow" without a scintilla of evidence, no examples, no acknowledgement of the facts already posted on the thread.

It's a load of horseshit. 

To your point Bill, I expect blowback, but I'm not at all sure it will come in the form of targeted killings.  Growing public awareness and some level of organized, nonviolent, peaceful protests is far more likely, and more likely to produce results that we desire. 

The advent of ubiquitous video recorders and the internet has changed the way police are viewed; eventually it will change the way they act and how they are held to account.  That doesn't mean change will be easy, quick, or always in a positive direction, but change will come.

Peace,

Silver

 
 
  And indeed I'll point out the flaws in your alleged arguement , those being of course based upon **your** " bias and belief".
 
   And in actuality *NO* you didn't " refute the article" , and in your alleged " refutation you indulged in the *EXACT* same method of arguement as do those who would have us believe that *all* cops are being targeted.
 
   You utterly failed to address both sides of this issue , a factor that *actual* ethical arguement hinges upon , complete with cites of incomplete statistics. You instead make the claim that *NO* cops are being targeted.
 
   And as usual with such things the actual truth lies somewhere in between the two extremes. The fact that the cops guilty of the killings you mention  ( for hyperbolic effect no doubt) haven't been targeted isn't even remotely germane to this , your statement was that *NO* cops are being targeted , when the fact is that some Cops HAVE been targeted.
 
  Is it safer than ever to be a cop? Of course it is , those stats are undeniable. Again though , it's undeniable that *some* cops have been targeted simply for being LEOs.
 
  Therefore your hyperbolic , sensationalistic stance that NO cops are targeted is just as erroneous , unethical and illogical as the opposite sides stance that it's much more common than it really is.
 
  And " Sand" didn't " invent the term killer cops.".........that's another fallacy and failure in logic.

[Sandfort]

Hmm... A brand new member asking for email addresses from people interested in a book about taking the law into your own hands. Don't think I'd jump on that one, even if I WERE interested in such a book.

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

Bill, you are aware that you are on the Mental Militia mailing list, right? And that does not scare you? Yet are afraid of another website? Ah, the blood of the pioneers apparently runs thin in your veins. What I wrote was fiction and definitely first Amendment stuff. What I wrote in the post and in the story advocate NOTHING and certainly not that YOU do anything. You might want to talk to Claire Wolfe and others about me, check out Google, you know, actually do some research about the object of your paranoia. Hey, you could even read some of my books! Go to Smashwords.com and search for "Sandy Sandfort." Ditto for Amazon.com A little scholasticism in the movement never hurts.   

[Bill St. Clair]

Yeah. I must be on lots of tyrant lists. If not, I'm doing something wrong.

MamaLiberty vouched for you. That was good enough for me.

[Sandfort]

Yeah. I must be on lots of tyrant lists. If not, I'm doing something wrong.

MamaLiberty vouched for you. That was good enough for me.

Thank you sir, you are a gentleman and a scholar.

[Sandfort]

Silver wrote:

I doubt everything, most especially those claims that tend to agree with my biases and beliefs. 

Sandfort invents a term "killer cops" without defining it or providing a single example.  He asserts that "it is clear that killing cops--especially killer cops--is happening and will continue to grow" without a scintilla of evidence, no examples, no acknowledgement of the facts already posted on the thread.

It's a load of horseshit. 

For Silver and all those with limited use of the English language. You may take "killer cop" to mean a "cop who kills." Simple, huh? Here's how it works. Though YOU clearly failed to define "horseshit," I, being a professional writer, interpret it as the "shit of a horse." If you have any other difficulties in defining simple English terms, please feel free to ask me for some help.

[StillaGhost]

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

 
 
   Grand Funk Railroad....................Paranoid.

[MamaLiberty]

If you have any other difficulties in defining simple English terms, please feel free to ask me for some help.

Oh me... Rather than inviting a pissing contest, (I'm addressing everyone here) why not discuss the actual topic instead of making snide and derogatory statements about another person. A strong challenge to the facts presented are not the same thing, though they often get mixed. Presenting things as fact, without anything to back it up, is an invitation to problems with that.

Silver is a long time member, very well thought of by most here, who usually limits himself to actual facts and polite discussion. It would be most helpful if everyone else did the same...