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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2016, 03:25:05 pm »

But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.

Unless you are a cop and you're scared.

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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2016, 03:32:56 pm »

I will skip the platitudes and go right to the heart of the matter.


Yes I still whole heartedly believe that I should protect my castle. 

A guy that violates a basic firearm safety rule and kills his brother does not invalidate my or anyone else's right and need to protect themselves, their castle, their life and property.

Never ever shoot at something when you do not know what it is.  Dark shadow climbing in a window?   Try using a flashlight or turning on a light.  Try yelling "HEY!!! I HAVE A GUN!!! GO AWAY!"  But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.
Common sense. That was hammered into me at a young age. "Know your target and what lies beyond it."
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 04:58:07 pm »

But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.

Unless you are a cop and you're scared.

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I do not even think the cops need to be scared, just part of their training, shoot first, plant evident later. justifiable shoot then. 
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2016, 10:51:07 pm »

I will skip the platitudes and go right to the heart of the matter.


Yes I still whole heartedly believe that I should protect my castle. 

A guy that violates a basic firearm safety rule and kills his brother does not invalidate my or anyone else's right and need to protect themselves, their castle, their life and property.

Never ever shoot at something when you do not know what it is.  Dark shadow climbing in a window?   Try using a flashlight or turning on a light.  Try yelling "HEY!!! I HAVE A GUN!!! GO AWAY!"  But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.
Common sense. That was hammered into me at a young age. "Know your target and what lies beyond it."

His brother would not be kicking in the door.
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #19 on: May 29, 2016, 08:27:15 am »

I will skip the platitudes and go right to the heart of the matter.


Yes I still whole heartedly believe that I should protect my castle. 

A guy that violates a basic firearm safety rule and kills his brother does not invalidate my or anyone else's right and need to protect themselves, their castle, their life and property.

Never ever shoot at something when you do not know what it is.  Dark shadow climbing in a window?   Try using a flashlight or turning on a light.  Try yelling "HEY!!! I HAVE A GUN!!! GO AWAY!"  But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.
Common sense. That was hammered into me at a young age. "Know your target and what lies beyond it."

His brother would not be kicking in the door.
You never know. My brother kicked in my bedroom door once. I took his car to a party without his permission when I was 18 and was gone until 2am. About 3am, after I had fallen asleep......BOOM.....door kicked in and a fat lip. :laugh:
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2016, 03:12:58 pm »

I will skip the platitudes and go right to the heart of the matter.


Yes I still whole heartedly believe that I should protect my castle. 

A guy that violates a basic firearm safety rule and kills his brother does not invalidate my or anyone else's right and need to protect themselves, their castle, their life and property.

Never ever shoot at something when you do not know what it is.  Dark shadow climbing in a window?   Try using a flashlight or turning on a light.  Try yelling "HEY!!! I HAVE A GUN!!! GO AWAY!"  But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.
Common sense. That was hammered into me at a young age. "Know your target and what lies beyond it."

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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2016, 03:11:40 pm »

I will skip the platitudes and go right to the heart of the matter.


Yes I still whole heartedly believe that I should protect my castle. 

A guy that violates a basic firearm safety rule and kills his brother does not invalidate my or anyone else's right and need to protect themselves, their castle, their life and property.

Never ever shoot at something when you do not know what it is.  Dark shadow climbing in a window?   Try using a flashlight or turning on a light.  Try yelling "HEY!!! I HAVE A GUN!!! GO AWAY!"  But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.
Common sense. That was hammered into me at a young age. "Know your target and what lies beyond it."

His brother would not be kicking in the door.

Mouse I am not sure what you mean here.  Yes in the original post a cop got shot for kicking in some ones door, but the brother got shot crawling drunkenly in a window.

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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2016, 04:29:36 pm »

I think he was clarifying that the marijuana grower knew it was not a friend or family because of the ruckus, as opposed to the brother who was shot while innocently trying to get to a bed. Therefore,...he defended.
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2016, 06:48:07 pm »

Yes well if that is the case I agree, my brother would not try and kick in my door either.

On the other hand what I said before holds true.  Never shoot at what you can not identify.  Now is someone kicking in your front door enough of an identifier to open fire?  Maybe so but you are still responsible for any bullet that leaves your weapon.

I have gone with option number three. Good luck trying to kick in my front door.  Yes eventually, with determination, my door will fail.  But by then I will know who is knocking and respond appropriately.
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2016, 04:02:22 am »

I will skip the platitudes and go right to the heart of the matter.


Yes I still whole heartedly believe that I should protect my castle. 

A guy that violates a basic firearm safety rule and kills his brother does not invalidate my or anyone else's right and need to protect themselves, their castle, their life and property.

Never ever shoot at something when you do not know what it is.  Dark shadow climbing in a window?   Try using a flashlight or turning on a light.  Try yelling "HEY!!! I HAVE A GUN!!! GO AWAY!"  But you do not shoot at an unidentified target.
Common sense. That was hammered into me at a young age. "Know your target and what lies beyond it."

His brother would not be kicking in the door.

Mouse I am not sure what you mean here.  Yes in the original post a cop got shot for kicking in some ones door, but the brother got shot crawling drunkenly in a window.

Sorry, who, me?  I should have been clearer.  I meant that his brother would probably not have been kicking in the door and shouting like a SWAT team is usually depicted as doing.  That is attacking someone in a threatening manner and should be defended.  The SWAT team were being bullies and bullies should not be submitted to or they will continue to bully, submission only serves to swell their egomania.

Certainly the brother who crawled through a window shouldn't have got shot, he did not pose a threat just by crawling in the window.  If the shooter claimed that he thought it might have been a burglar, he is in the wrong because he should have identified his target.

Anyway, I assumed that the SWAT team WERE identified because they probably didn't kick in the door quietly, don't they usually accompany this action by yelling obscenities and threats?
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2016, 04:57:37 pm »

While I have never personally witnessed a visit by swat I understand it is a loud and obnoxious event.  I also understand that the man does not always identify themselves properly.  Also people do have non-law enforcement individuals kick in their doors from time to time.


Now having said all that I will fall back on my previously stated position that everyone should AT MINIMUM strengthen their doors.  Better yet would to replace those crappy contractor grade doors and frames with something stronger and securely installed.  You should also have someway to see outside and identify whomever is knocking/kicking at you door.

Give yourself the time to see who is there, get some pants on, and decide if lethal force is warranted.  Or maybe you want to tell the nice officer to step back while you open the door for them.

The sad truth is the vast majority of doors are cheap, poorly hung garbage with crappy locks that do little if anything to prevent an intruder from simply knocking it off the hinges and gaining entry very quickly.
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2016, 09:02:11 pm »

The sad truth is the vast majority of doors are cheap, poorly hung garbage with crappy locks that do little if anything to prevent an intruder from simply knocking it off the hinges and gaining entry very quickly.

And any intruder who does that is asking for a load of buckshot, badge or not. And I'll gladly let him have it.

Proper presentation of a search or arrest warrant allows its subject time to read and think about it and decide whether to surrender. But police nowadays always seem to be in a hurry. Much of this is because of the drug possession statues, none of which have any proper authority to exist. Anybody who enforces them deserves to die, slowly.
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #27 on: June 05, 2016, 05:33:13 am »

everyone should AT MINIMUM strengthen their doors.  Better yet would to replace those crappy contractor grade doors and frames with something stronger and securely installed.  You should also have someway to see outside and identify whomever is knocking/kicking at you door.

Don't the cops have serious battering rams to use? The better doors might slow them down a bit, but probably not much. I expect that's more a problem in the city...  And how would renters manage that?
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2016, 08:10:27 pm »

everyone should AT MINIMUM strengthen their doors.  Better yet would to replace those crappy contractor grade doors and frames with something stronger and securely installed.  You should also have someway to see outside and identify whomever is knocking/kicking at you door.

Don't the cops have serious battering rams to use?
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They don't. They wind up paying to have the door and frame replaced even if it is a wrong address oopsie on the part of our brave and heroic boys in blue.   :thrbarf:
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Re: Marijuana Grower Shot SWAT Cops Who Kicked Down His Door
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2016, 10:09:08 pm »

everyone should AT MINIMUM strengthen their doors.  Better yet would to replace those crappy contractor grade doors and frames with something stronger and securely installed.  You should also have someway to see outside and identify whomever is knocking/kicking at you door.

Don't the cops have serious battering rams to use? The better doors might slow them down a bit, but probably not much. I expect that's more a problem in the city...  And how would renters manage that?

Yes cops have big metal pipes with flat steel welded on the end and handy handles to facilitate swinging.  A door, properly constructed and hung will hold out for quite awhile.  The thing is you cannot keep a cop or anyone else out of your house.  All you can do is slow them down enough that they need to make a hell of a lot of noise getting in. 

Giving you the time to decide what your response is going to be.

More importantly not being surprised when the first swing blows the door into the living room giving you no time to get over being surprised.  All ANYTHING you do to strengthen your home only buys you some time over it NOT being strengthened. 

As far as renters go...there is no law that says you cannot hang a decent door on a rental unit.  You either take it with you when you leave or consider it a cost of some piece of mind.
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