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Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« on: November 28, 2015, 04:36:33 pm »

This is incredible.  There is a constant war between the "liberals" and everybody else for the minds of the people, and the "liberals" have the media on their side and not playing fair or truthfully.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/cnn-calls-colorado-springs-shooting-latest-string-attacks-planned-parenthood-clinics

On CNN, a reporter played the "But if it is" game on whether or not the shooting at a Planned Parenthood facility in Colorado Springs was the result of the shooter targeting the clinic over their abortion practices, calling it the "latest" such incident.


"If this was a targeting of Planned Parenthood it would be the latest in a string of attacks on abortion providing facilities or on doctors who work with them."

If it was, you see. But this is a very liberal (pun intended) use of the words "latest" and 'string", which imply an ongoing series of attacks. That impression is belied by the information he actually provides to back up his claim.

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Or this:  http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/planned-parenthood-shooter-identifies-unaffiliated-voter-female

(This refers to "the Colorado shooter")
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Before any verified details about the shooter or the incident came to light, the left - never letting a crisis go to waste - decided to run with the narrative that the shooter was at Planned Parenthood to kill workers there in response to the shocking series of undercover videos earlier this year. Those videos exposed the organization's abhorrent practices and attitudes toward aborted fetuses. Twitchy has some vile examples of the left's accusatory rhetoric on social media here. So far there is no evidence that Planned Parenthood was Dear's target, nor is there any indication of a motive.

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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2015, 06:00:17 am »

Playing "fair?" Oh my... Does anyone truly trust that this is possible? What is "fair?" What would cause anyone to expect to find fairness or truth in the media, especially unexamined and unquestioned? Perhaps the cause is the same as the  false belief in the "authority" of leaders and constitutions and involuntary government.

If you have not yet read this, I urge you to do so.  You will never see these things in the same light again.

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You can choose to throw in your lot with a spouse or a friend or your children, but nothing causes or sustains your community except the on-going choices – instantly reversible – of each of the members of that group. And you cannot be a member of any group without your freely-chosen, on-going consent and active participation. And beyond all that, the you that is most fundamentally you is always and necessarily isolated from all other people and all other things. This is a statement of ontology – the philosophy of the factual nature of real things, regardless of what anyone thinks about them. We’ll be coming back to this later, because your fundamental independence from all other people is the most important – and therefore the most deliberately obscured – issue in all of modern philosophy. But for now it suffices to note that other people cannot choose for you for the same reason they cannot think for you – or eat for you: Because you are in this all alone.

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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2015, 01:08:28 pm »

Good one, Mama Liberty! Thank you.
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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2015, 08:26:43 pm »

Thanks ML

I am downloading the pdf as the front page of the link stops at "kissing the masters ass".

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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2015, 06:05:22 am »

Thanks ML

I am downloading the pdf as the front page of the link stops at "kissing the masters ass".

It's been so long since I read that I forgot about the pdf... must check to make sure I have the whole thing here on my hard drive. I'm very tempted to see if I can't condense all that somehow... compact it a bit so it would more likely be read.
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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2015, 03:10:23 pm »

That PDF is definitely going into my backup flash drive.  Very nice find ML!

Modern media is a funny thing; a person's life could be lived, quite comfortably, without so much as a bit of media.  Certainly the knowledge conveyed by media can be life-saving, but generally it is of no use for those not directly involved.  It is a tragedy that so many (myself included, sometimes) expend so much of their time and mental facilities hunting down, dissecting, and arguing about "the news".
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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2015, 04:29:50 pm »

Thanks ML

I am downloading the pdf as the front page of the link stops at "kissing the masters ass".

It's been so long since I read that I forgot about the pdf... must check to make sure I have the whole thing here on my hard drive. I'm very tempted to see if I can't condense all that somehow... compact it a bit so it would more likely be read.

ML, I have only read through the first three chapters, but am sure I'll finish it shortly. With Bill, I agree that it's a good find. I think it belongs at the new TMM site, and would love to tempt you to do a sort of review of the work, if you'd like.
Am so glad I chanced upon your post.  Thank you for posting the book here.

Salute!
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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2015, 04:44:28 pm »

I think it belongs at the new TMM site, and would love to tempt you to do a sort of review of the work, if you'd like.

Sounds like a darn good idea! It's been a while since I read it, and I intend to do a thorough job of it soon. Just happens I don't have any editing jobs or reviews to do after I finish the review for Vin Suprynowicz's new novel. I'll get right to working on that, but will make it more of a summary than I usually do in a review.
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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2015, 06:30:06 pm »

Mouse, you're actually kind of ignorant here.

Lets roll back a decade or two.

Actually back when I was in high school and college there were a couple of abortion clinic shootings and bombings.  The big difference is that the psycho religionists in the USA aren't suicidal, and don't have fire proof passports to leave at the site like ole' Mohammed Atta (spelling?) did back at 9/11.

I read a lot of anti abortion stuff on "freedom" fora, and I also see how cleverly both parties have linked gun ownership and freedom with god worship.  Needless to say, once they knock the god stuff out of the park, the control freaks can simply say "well since you can't prove god exists (and you can't, really you can't) then you can't say you have god given rights without sounding delusional and stupid."  Voila, you've just forfeited your rights.  Its the whole issue of claiming something exists which you can't prove, versus claiming you can't prove the thing doesn't exist.  I don't have to prove a man is NOT a thief, if whoever accuses him can't prove he IS.  Period.  It used to be common practice in logic and the western world that a positive claim which couldn't be proven had the burden of proof.  The same is true of the religious stuff, and the "lib'ruls" know it.  The religious people in various freedom groups set up the freedom psychology for failure by loudly proclaiming "god given" everywhere.

Far as I'm concerned, people will have premarital sex, and have abortions.  Childhood indoctrinated illogical fears of gods do not change the outcome of prohibitions and the human nature to want what is kept from them.  The only thing all this idiocy accomplishes is forcing people to feel guilty and stress out over illogical bullshit.

*** Now, I have no love for government sponsored abortion clinics or government sponsored anything, but I want people to understand that the idiocies I see espoused by various religious groups, will push anyone with controversial ideas (especially scientists in ground breaking fields which require funding and knowledge of science rather than holy books) who doesn't want to be witch hunted, into the "I need strong atheistic allies, because the theists are insane, violent control freaks." (not untrue, mind you.) ***

Back to abortions.  The question is simple.  Do we force them to have them in secret, with a "doctor" who yells downstairs to his mom to make him some bagel bites (movie reference) or do they get it at a doctor, clean, clinical and without complications?  I say this because I know at least three people who were raised by the state because they were born unwanted, to extremely incompetent people, and became wards of the state from the get go.  They WORSHIP the state.  Try to say something against it and see what happens.  Do you really want to FORCE your future enemies to LIVE?  Seriously, these were people FORCED to live, and are grateful the government saved them from living with abusive shithead parents (2 of them) or just outright drugged out, psyched out teenage mom for the third.  (And this is in so called pro freedom, pro christian "morals" Wyoming, that I know these people.)

I recall when my mom and a few of her friends were having a conversation about terrorist muslim religious fanatics.  I asked them (this past year, actually, here in "free" Wyoming) if they were okay with Christian abortion clinic bombers from the 90's to now, and how were they different than the muzzie suicide bombers of today?  Yeah, I think I made a few enemies and proved just how stupid this discourse is without condemning BOTH sides of religious assholes.

And yes, I fully get that it might have been a setup.  Still, I know plenty of "christian warriors" here in "The Free State."  They're scary fanatics.  They're the kind of people, with no sense of actual morals, who want a holy war and want to kill infidels.  They're the people who once pushed me into the anti gun camp.  I was into swords then, and I know very few could match me with a blade, even now, but a religious assassin just needs to want to kill you, guns or swords won't matter.  Been that way since the middle ages.  And here's the catch.  Religious murderers are insane, by definition.  You cannot pay them more, reason with them, or prove them wrong.  Your only option would be to be sharp, secure and always alert, and maybe, just maybe, you could kill them first.  Just stopping them and trying to talk sense into them won't work.  They know just enough of their holy texts to justify what they want to do, and ignore the whole thousands of pages which don't agree.  You can't reason with that, can't argue with it, can't make sense of it.  No rational mind can.

And back to the beginning.  You are wrong here, dear Mouse.  Abortion clinics have been getting bombed and shot up for awhile.  Not two dozen a year, but frequently enough since Planned Parenthood started (Clinton days, if I recall) to make one wonder why it is that the government had to step in and FORCE abortion and talk about sex and condoms to be allowed in the first place?  What kind of screwed up scumbags think that seeing a pair of human nipples or touching naughty bits will damage a mind?  What kind of even more screwed up scumbags would deny people the ability to see something based on their own delusions of religious fervor?  Aren't we beyond idiotic concepts like these?  These morons have kept technology a thousand years back, they're the bastards who burned that one famous library at Alexandria, killed innumerable thinkers, and kept us IN the dark ages!  We should be immortal, living in space and enjoying the galaxy, not fighting over permitting or not permitting consenting COMPETENT people from having sex with OTHER CONSENTING COMPETENT PEOPLE.

I grew up a technologist, and wasn't exposed to the idiotic indoctrination of religion until I moved to America.  I can't tell you how much anger I hold for my father for taking me from a fairly educated country to this place where people have it all and take a dump on the scientific principles which make living more than 30 years in great comfort and plenty a common place thing
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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2015, 10:11:24 am »

"These morons"

I'm sorry you've had such a negative experience with Christians, Destin.  We're not all like that.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2015, 10:58:32 am »

"These morons"

I'm sorry you've had such a negative experience with Christians, Destin.  We're not all like that.

Same with Muslims, or Jews, or Wiccans, or atheists. The majority are good, plain people, who want pretty much the same things as everybody, food, clothing, & shelter for their families, not too much effort to stay safe, and enough time and money left to have a little fun.
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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2015, 01:09:00 pm »

Friends,

Everyone has biases. In the old days street level reporters were encouraged to keep obvious opinions out of their reports and concentrate on the 5 "W's" and the "H" (No! Not "Hemorrhoid!).

Even then Editorial choices as to how many lines of Raw Reports to Retain, Which Lines to keep and Where in the paper the edited report ran had a subtle bias.

I lived at least 45 of my 59 years blissfully unaware how many Implicit Rules surround almost everything we do. I find the idea that our success largely depends on how adept we are at ferreting out Implicit Rules—whether by analysis or osmosis—and then Abiding by them Repugnant.

I'm neither a Djinn or a Slave. Your WISH is not my COMMAND. If you expect something from me at least have the Human Decency to State it EXPLICITLY.

{That is not a Promise to Comply…}

Anyway, maybe some olde tyme reporters anxious for every possible inch in print might have played to the bias.

But in the 70s News Reporters were a wee mite Promiscuous. Nowadays they're $3 Crack Whores.

Selah.



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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2015, 01:27:01 pm »

"These morons"

I'm sorry you've had such a negative experience with Christians, Destin.  We're not all like that.

Well, from what I've read of Destin's stuff, he simply chooses to be an unhappy person. Wyoming is against him, Christianity is against him, there is an endless river of angst to complain about, yadda yadda yadda faruda. Nothing makes him happy. Yet he seems to expect this world to make him happy, while ignoring the long-known fact that happiness is a choice. He therefore mopes around these boards expressing his displeasure, which belies a basic unhappiness, which is not our problem despite his insistence on asking us to read all his negativity.

"I ain't happy and it's everyone else's fault."


Destin, in the coming year there will be a lot of new people dropping by here. I hope to high heaven you can reduce your normal output of negativity, because I'd dearly love to see this place come across to visitors as a happy place. Thank you for considering the request.

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Re: Mainsteam media manipulation and obvious spin
« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2015, 05:06:44 pm »

Friends,

Well as a bit of Thread Drift…

And in Reply to DF and EA's comments...

IF you believe that Personhood begins at conception…

And while many factors can hint at Proof this essentially boils down to Personal Belief…

But please start with that concept and run with it.

If true, then it is true that number-wise the murders at abortion clinics far outnumber the murders in the NAZI concentration camps.

If some German citizen had managed to kill some SS prison guards in protest against the Holocaust…

Would we say that his crimes were heinous and write him off as a nutcase?

But I do not advocate the slaying of Abortionists and I am not sure precisely why.

Christians are more or less called to suffer wrongs silently—though like many, I believe that there are limits.

Also, as Thoreau said—it isn't necessarily a man's duty to try to right even the most Grievous Evils.

And slaying Abortionists does more harm than good—public relation wise.

Now let me address a couple points:

#1} People Argue that a baby born to a single mother who lives in poverty is highly unlikely to grow up to lead a rewarding life.

I don't believe that God suffers any baby to be conceived unless he has a Divine Purpose for it.

{I can Reconcile Free Will and God's Absolute Foreknowledge—but it is a complex topic far afield from this one.}

God's purpose may very well NOT include that Hypothetical Person getting any joy at all in this world.

Think of the poor starving Beggar/Leper who nonetheless went to Heaven.

God knew the minute Lazarus the Leper was concieved what kind of life that he'd have.

#2} If abortions are illegal many who get black market abortions will suffer negative consequences as a result…

If one regards Abortion as no more or less than Infanticide then any injuries suffered in the course of committing infanticide the better.

You are free to believe and practice as you see fit—but don't muddy the waters of debate with specious arguments.




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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2015, 11:25:37 pm »

RVM45: Today is my turn to like your style.  :hattip:
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