Mouse, you're actually kind of ignorant here.
Lets roll back a decade or two.
Actually back when I was in high school and college there were a couple of abortion clinic shootings and bombings. The big difference is that the psycho religionists in the USA aren't suicidal, and don't have fire proof passports to leave at the site like ole' Mohammed Atta (spelling?) did back at 9/11.
I read a lot of anti abortion stuff on "freedom" fora, and I also see how cleverly both parties have linked gun ownership and freedom with god worship. Needless to say, once they knock the god stuff out of the park, the control freaks can simply say "well since you can't prove god exists (and you can't, really you can't) then you can't say you have god given rights without sounding delusional and stupid." Voila, you've just forfeited your rights. Its the whole issue of claiming something exists which you can't prove, versus claiming you can't prove the thing doesn't exist. I don't have to prove a man is NOT a thief, if whoever accuses him can't prove he IS. Period. It used to be common practice in logic and the western world that a positive claim which couldn't be proven had the burden of proof. The same is true of the religious stuff, and the "lib'ruls" know it. The religious people in various freedom groups set up the freedom psychology for failure by loudly proclaiming "god given" everywhere.
Far as I'm concerned, people will have premarital sex, and have abortions. Childhood indoctrinated illogical fears of gods do not change the outcome of prohibitions and the human nature to want what is kept from them. The only thing all this idiocy accomplishes is forcing people to feel guilty and stress out over illogical bullshit.
*** Now, I have no love for government sponsored abortion clinics or government sponsored anything, but I want people to understand that the idiocies I see espoused by various religious groups, will push anyone with controversial ideas (especially scientists in ground breaking fields which require funding and knowledge of science rather than holy books) who doesn't want to be witch hunted, into the "I need strong atheistic allies, because the theists are insane, violent control freaks." (not untrue, mind you.) ***
Back to abortions. The question is simple. Do we force them to have them in secret, with a "doctor" who yells downstairs to his mom to make him some bagel bites (movie reference) or do they get it at a doctor, clean, clinical and without complications? I say this because I know at least three people who were raised by the state because they were born unwanted, to extremely incompetent people, and became wards of the state from the get go. They WORSHIP the state. Try to say something against it and see what happens. Do you really want to FORCE your future enemies to LIVE? Seriously, these were people FORCED to live, and are grateful the government saved them from living with abusive shithead parents (2 of them) or just outright drugged out, psyched out teenage mom for the third. (And this is in so called pro freedom, pro christian "morals" Wyoming, that I know these people.)
I recall when my mom and a few of her friends were having a conversation about terrorist muslim religious fanatics. I asked them (this past year, actually, here in "free" Wyoming) if they were okay with Christian abortion clinic bombers from the 90's to now, and how were they different than the muzzie suicide bombers of today? Yeah, I think I made a few enemies and proved just how stupid this discourse is without condemning BOTH sides of religious assholes.
And yes, I fully get that it might have been a setup. Still, I know plenty of "christian warriors" here in "The Free State." They're scary fanatics. They're the kind of people, with no sense of actual morals, who want a holy war and want to kill infidels. They're the people who once pushed me into the anti gun camp. I was into swords then, and I know very few could match me with a blade, even now, but a religious assassin just needs to want to kill you, guns or swords won't matter. Been that way since the middle ages. And here's the catch. Religious murderers are insane, by definition. You cannot pay them more, reason with them, or prove them wrong. Your only option would be to be sharp, secure and always alert, and maybe, just maybe, you could kill them first. Just stopping them and trying to talk sense into them won't work. They know just enough of their holy texts to justify what they want to do, and ignore the whole thousands of pages which don't agree. You can't reason with that, can't argue with it, can't make sense of it. No rational mind can.
And back to the beginning. You are wrong here, dear Mouse. Abortion clinics have been getting bombed and shot up for awhile. Not two dozen a year, but frequently enough since Planned Parenthood started (Clinton days, if I recall) to make one wonder why it is that the government had to step in and FORCE abortion and talk about sex and condoms to be allowed in the first place? What kind of screwed up scumbags think that seeing a pair of human nipples or touching naughty bits will damage a mind? What kind of even more screwed up scumbags would deny people the ability to see something based on their own delusions of religious fervor? Aren't we beyond idiotic concepts like these? These morons have kept technology a thousand years back, they're the bastards who burned that one famous library at Alexandria, killed innumerable thinkers, and kept us IN the dark ages! We should be immortal, living in space and enjoying the galaxy, not fighting over permitting or not permitting consenting COMPETENT people from having sex with OTHER CONSENTING COMPETENT PEOPLE.
I grew up a technologist, and wasn't exposed to the idiotic indoctrination of religion until I moved to America. I can't tell you how much anger I hold for my father for taking me from a fairly educated country to this place where people have it all and take a dump on the scientific principles which make living more than 30 years in great comfort and plenty a common place thing
