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[Bill St. Clair]

Oh, NO! The abortion debate. Nobody ever changes their position.

I'm with L. Neil Smith on this one. The right to life begins with sapience, which, in humans, usually happens sometime in the first year after birth. But I'm willing to settle on birth as the dividing line, just because it's easy to determine. Before sapience, developing homo sapiens are just animals. If you consider killing cows for meat to be murder, your argument is at least consistent. If you consider killing a potential human to be murder, then it's also murder to NOT impregnate that beautiful, fertile twenty-something strutting down the road. Her unfertilized egg is also a potential human. Hmm... maybe I should change my position (only joking).

But I'm not a Christian. And I don't expect to change anyone's mind.

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

But I'm not a Christian. And I don't expect to change anyone's mind.

Its okay, Christians don't actually read their books in entirety and without excuse making for the lines they don't agree with.

Gabriel offered Mary a chance to refuse "the honor" of carrying Jesus, AFTER she was already pregnant with him (his tone is past tense for her impregnation.)  This would imply offering Mary a CHOICE of aborting Jesus.

Coincidentally this particular scenario also offers a great bit of confusion about those who say "well God knew she'd not refuse."  This meaning that God never really offered her a choice, because if you know how someone is going to answer, your question isn't a choice.

But like you said, Christians aren't people who read their own book.  Especially overzealous types.  They're just guys doing what some political figure told them to do, and believing what someone ELSE told them to believe.  I've yet to meet a christian who is a scientific evidence based mind, who read the book in its entirety, and stayed a Christian.  I'm serious. 

Speaking of which, of my three pastors in Wyoming, one's making great money (and you can't get a straight answer from him on anything) one is a poor man who actually shows some awesome "christian behavior" but seems to have some questions, and the last lost his faith and moved away to his prior home.  Ironically, the most traveled of the three, who's actually BEEN to historic sites and such, is that third one.  Peculiar?

[da gooch]

I refuse to be worried about the gun grabbers. They can use whatever they like as a rationale for their gun grabbing but I am one of the "dangerous old men" who are done backing up and Not relinquishing my firearms. Or my pistols, revolvers, swords, bows or slingshots.
I firmly believe in the   NO!    Your Move. concept and will live by it.

In case you are unfamiliar with the term "dangerous old men" I will provide a couple of links and suggest that you sign up for an Appleseed Course with the nearest RWVA membership to your location. A weekend of fun but intense shooting instruction mixed into an extended in depth discussion of the events of April 19th, 1775 in the Boston, Massachusetts area.

Dangerous old men 1775
and
Dangerous old men updated

[FDD]

 

Count me in too, as a DOM

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

Count me in too, as a DOM

I took you for a young'un like me.  If you're an old man, Wyoming's existing residents might take well to you.

'Course now that the revenue stream from the oil fields is shot, the state might consider newcomers a "good source of revenue." 

I know we don't always agree on things, but I'll say this, keep your head down, and stay frosty.  We "newcomers" will end up being targets for fleecing sooner and who knows for what, later.  And that will be regardless to which group we profess allegiance, or lack thereof.

And cover up that piece, if you carry.  Laws have been changed to not require a permit after 6 months residence, so you can still be law abiding now, and still conceal carry even if your old permit is not reciprocal with Wyoming.  I didn't have that luxury when I moved.  So, in the spirit of what day it is, my present is a "good luck to you."

[FDD]

Count me in too, as a DOM

I took you for a young'un like me.  If you're an old man, Wyoming's existing residents might take well to you.

'Course now that the revenue stream from the oil fields is shot, the state might consider newcomers a "good source of revenue." 

I know we don't always agree on things, but I'll say this, keep your head down, and stay frosty.  We "newcomers" will end up being targets for fleecing sooner and who knows for what, later.  And that will be regardless to which group we profess allegiance, or lack thereof.

And cover up that piece, if you carry.  Laws have been changed to not require a permit after 6 months residence, so you can still be law abiding now, and still conceal carry even if your old permit is not reciprocal with Wyoming.  I didn't have that luxury when I moved.  So, in the spirit of what day it is, my present is a "good luck to you."

If 55 is young, then I am young.

never had a CC, never will, but I still have some teeth on me.

Like in any place, remember OPSEC, listen much, talk little

[Adventurer, Explorer, Inquiring Mind.]

OPEIC???  What's that?


As for not having permits...
There are times and places where you should have government permission for as long as government exists.  Those times and places involve not getting caged for your entire useful life, or getting murdered by control freak enforcers.



I had longer printed out at first, but I've avoided putting this out as it stood, since its pretty identifying, but I'm paying it forward.  Anyone looking to move to Wyoming, should keep their options open, and not have a faith based mind.  In other words, get info and intel from more than one source..  Wyoming looks great on the wedding night and the honey moon, especially if you just divorced Chicago, Richmond, Queens or the Bronx, but in reality, Wyoming's literally a frigid bitch 8 to 9 months of the year, and a complete harridan for the entirety.  Make sure you get a prenup before you commit to the relationship.  You may want a speedy divorce from Wyoming eventually and you don't want to have to give up or sell everything to do so.