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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2016, 10:54:15 am »

Bad things happen when good people stand by and do nothing. Confronting those who are wrong with the truth and maybe changing the way they think is better than waiting for them to get radicalized and start killing again.

And who are you to say they are wrong and that you know the truth?
Who are you to make anyone change how they want to think and do with their lives?
How is having a concert a bad thing, and when did you become all knowing and able to see into the future as to how things are going to happen?

From what I have seen and from what I know of such groups, you are not going to have any input in to changing their way of thinking, other than causing trouble and being a threat to them, forcing them to defend themselves.
And how then will that change them? other than prove to them they are right in their thinking.

Why not leave them alone and let them have their time to themselves.

It's a scientific fact that there are no races, there are only variations in appearance. We don't say there are different races of tomatoes just because the yellow pear and german strawberry look different. They're both still tomatoes.

But why do you feel you have the right to tell others that they are wrong in wanting to be with people like them?
People judge people over all kinds of things.
Who are you to say that they do not have a right to want to be with only one type of people?
Do they not have the right to be and do things with people they want to be with?
Who are you to force others to think as you do?
So you do not like that. then stay away and be happy with your life, Why force people to live how you think it should be?

Sorry sir, but you are wrong in this.
Let them have their time.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2016, 11:20:18 am »

It's a scientific fact that there are no races, there are only variations in appearance. We don't say there are different races of tomatoes just because the yellow pear and german strawberry look different. They're both still tomatoes.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2016, 11:23:33 am »

The different races are nearly identical from a DNA point of view. And the state is a huge organized criminal extortion racket. Both facts. Both hotly contested by people willing to kill to preserve their point of view. Protest if you want. You have a right to express YOUR point of view. I no longer waste my time, unless they're initiating force against somebody I care about.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2016, 01:09:33 pm »

Baked,  Maybe you could protest as a libertarian by stating that you completely disagree with what they stand for but if they are not harming anyone, you totally support their right to say/stand/party where they may. See which side stones you first.  :ph34r:
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2016, 01:16:15 am »

I agree. Just wanted to point out the hypocrisy. :rolleyes:

Sure! I was commenting on "Baked" saying he would go to such a "protest." :)
It probably would be a good one to go to just for the entertainment  :popcorn:
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2016, 10:10:17 am »

Baked,  Maybe you could protest as a libertarian by stating that you completely disagree with what they stand for but if they are not harming anyone, you totally support their right to say/stand/party where they may. See which side stones you first.  :ph34r:

This is the Libertarian way if you're using the word in the way it's used everywhere but North America.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2016, 10:43:58 am »

By all means protest, if it seems like the thing to do. But, be aware that a tactic used more and more by TPIB is to implant professional provocateurs to escalate the festivities to where the LSM can "justify" xtra draconian actions. There are lots of examples, but I'll point out the Waco MC debacle as a relatively recent one.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #22 on: June 13, 2016, 01:20:33 am »

Baked at 420...

Sorry to tell ya bud, but there are races, but they aren't what you think.  Races basically mean tribal origins.  Humans are a tribal species, so while races don't mean separate species, there is some cultural and biological bias introduced into the system when you separate them into tribes for a long enough duration.  Its not enough and we haven't been doing it long enough to introduce speciation, though the biases are there, asians are shorter, white guys sunburn faster, black dudes get sickle cell anemia more often, etc.  There are adaptations which are genetic in each tribal subgroup.  Native americans are very vulnerable to fermented alcohol, etc.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #23 on: June 13, 2016, 07:39:43 am »

There are certainly races, and there are statistical correlations. Jews and Asians are smarter than Caucasians, who are smarter than Hispanics and Africans. Statistically. But the standard deviation is huge. It still makes more sense to treat individual humans as individuals, not members of a race.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #24 on: June 13, 2016, 09:06:26 am »

I expect most of the members of these groups, the KKK and the Neo-Nazi's, to be undercover agents of the state there to cultivate patsies and to orchestrate false flag operations. To a lesser extent they are there to use these groups to help divide and conquer strategies succeed. The loudest and most aggressive of them are very likely undercover fed agent provocateurs. Don't laugh but groups like this have been found to contain more undercover feds than actual members.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #25 on: June 13, 2016, 10:19:00 am »

Don't laugh but groups like this have been found to contain more undercover feds than actual members.

Do you have some reliable sources for these allegations? I seriously doubt the need for so many agents, since there are obviously so many gullible fools available.  The agents require paychecks. The fools are happy to do without.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #26 on: June 13, 2016, 05:15:10 pm »

Do you have some reliable sources for these allegations? I seriously doubt the need for so many agents, since there are obviously so many gullible fools available.  The agents require paychecks. The fools are happy to do without.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/video-feds-infiltrate-neo-nazi-biker-gangFeds Infiltrate Neo-Nazi Biker Gang

Video on that page is a busted link but this is part of the article: "Early members of the neo-Nazi motorcycle gang included two undercover FBI agents and an unnamed biker, who offered $1,000 to anyone willing to shoot a black man riding an ATV. Later, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force installed hidden microphones and cameras in the St. Cloud clubhouse. Klose's in-house explosives experts turned out to be the FBI undercover agents whom he asked repeatedly to build bombs for attacks that he was planning"

So it seems this was a new "club" and among it's very first members were two FBI agents and an undercover cop who became the "recruiter" for the gang. So while I may have exaggerated a bit by saying more than half can be feds cases like this one show that the feds often are involved directly in making these kinds of groups grow and flourish. Sometimes they are the ones who promote violence too. Very shady.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #27 on: June 13, 2016, 06:20:42 pm »

Do you have some reliable sources for these allegations? I seriously doubt the need for so many agents, since there are obviously so many gullible fools available.  The agents require paychecks. The fools are happy to do without.
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/video-feds-infiltrate-neo-nazi-biker-gangFeds Infiltrate Neo-Nazi Biker Gang

Video on that page is a busted link but this is part of the article: "Early members of the neo-Nazi motorcycle gang included two undercover FBI agents and an unnamed biker, who offered $1,000 to anyone willing to shoot a black man riding an ATV. Later, the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force installed hidden microphones and cameras in the St. Cloud clubhouse. Klose's in-house explosives experts turned out to be the FBI undercover agents whom he asked repeatedly to build bombs for attacks that he was planning"

So it seems this was a new "club" and among it's very first members were two FBI agents and an undercover cop who became the "recruiter" for the gang. So while I may have exaggerated a bit by saying more than half can be feds cases like this one show that the feds often are involved directly in making these kinds of groups grow and flourish. Sometimes they are the ones who promote violence too. Very shady.

Remember the old quote, bro:

"You can always tell who the undercover cops are at a protest.  They're the ones who brought the guns, bombs and ski masks and are trying to get everyone to use them."
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2016, 07:22:58 pm »

Baked,  Maybe you could protest as a libertarian by stating that you completely disagree with what they stand for but if they are not harming anyone, you totally support their right to say/stand/party where they may. See which side stones you first.  :ph34r:

I fully support Baked's right to wear body armor and a helmet ... I would hope he'd do it even if it was not legal.  Protesting them boys can have... physically detrimental consequences.
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Re: Major Confrontation Ahead
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2016, 10:29:17 am »

In German:
"Nur eines hätte unsere Bewegung stoppen können – wenn unsere Gegner ihr Prinzip verstanden hätten und vom ersten Tag an den Kern unserer neuen Bewegung mit aller Brutalität zerschlagen hätten."

In English:
"Only one thing could have stopped our movement - if our adversaries had understood its principle and from the first day smashed with the utmost brutality the nucleus of our new movement."

Adolf Hitler, 1934

It is interesting to me at least that the impetus for violent opposition to Nazis comes from their own leaders words. I do find it slightly ironic.
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