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Tahn L.

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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #225 on: July 08, 2016, 04:34:26 pm »

MamaLiberty and Elias,

 Now I know calling someone a “lawyer" is certainly derogatory  and an epithet and is about as vile a name as you can call someone, well except for “bootlicker”, UNLESS of course they are a lawyer (and by extension a bootlicker), which I don’t believe was ever denied.

I do believe in maintaining decorum here on TMM as you know but because the possible epithet’s were on the OK thread and because it was not proven that they were indeed untrue and whereas it was in defense of another TMM and OK member, is it possible to appeal such a decision or at least ask for a reduction in the sentence?
 
If so, I hereby and forthwith enter such an appeal. We are all sinners.
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P.S. I live in Missouri where the second worst epithet you can call someone is a scoundrel and (I hesitate to even say it) the WORST is a scalawag. I heard no such vile utterances and also heard no real cuss words. Allowing the two combatants to duel, on that thread, concerning their perceived matter of honor, might be the best, libertarian method to help them reach a satisfactory conclusion or at least, expend their ammo. Regardless, withdrawing only ONE of the combatants I perceive as unsatisfactory.

Of course, this decision is not mine, thank the heavens and I will truly respect any decision you’all make
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #226 on: July 08, 2016, 05:14:35 pm »

MamaLiberty and Elias,

 Now I know calling someone a “lawyer" is certainly derogatory  and an epithet and is about as vile a name as you can call someone, well except for “bootlicker”, UNLESS of course they are a lawyer (and by extension a bootlicker), which I don’t believe was ever denied.

I do believe in maintaining decorum here on TMM as you know but because the possible epithet’s were on the OK thread and because it was not proven that they were indeed untrue and whereas it was in defense of another TMM and OK member, is it possible to appeal such a decision or at least ask for a reduction in the sentence?
 
If so, I hereby and forthwith enter such an appeal. We are all sinners.
Tahn

P.S. I live in Missouri where the second worst epithet you can call someone is a scoundrel and (I hesitate to even say it) the WORST is a scalawag. I heard no such vile utterances and also heard no real cuss words. Allowing the two combatants to duel, on that thread, concerning their perceived matter of honor, might be the best, libertarian method to help them reach a satisfactory conclusion or at least, expend their ammo. Regardless, withdrawing only ONE of the combatants I perceive as unsatisfactory.

Of course, this decision is not mine, thank the heavens and I will truly respect any decision you’all make


Lawyer is not a derogatory term but Attorney is. An attorney is a member of the BAR and sole source of corruption in the judiciary.
The term lawyer is used to identify one educated in the law. Attorneys are only taught theory, case law and procedure they have no concept of legislative intent of any statute.

I stand with Tahn in klapton"s appeal.

I will give my opinion about Stewart quitting.

Stewart walked away prior to being disbarred. That means the disbarment was a result of his quitting not the other way around.

I'm proud of Stewart for quitting the BAR. I'm sure he had more than a few pressing personal issues that required his attention.
I'm sorry it left clients without council, that could have been handled better.

I also agree with Klapton. I someone has a beef with Stewart take it to him and not the members of TMM.

'nough said.
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #227 on: July 08, 2016, 05:25:27 pm »

Barrett K,

 I stand corrected in my misunderstanding of the terms and thank you for pointing out the error.

I also thank you for joining me in the appeal.

Let truth and justice prevail.
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #228 on: July 08, 2016, 06:24:36 pm »


Stewart walked away prior to being disbarred. That means the disbarment was a result of his quitting not the other way around.


You need to tell the people you're quitting from that you quit. You can't just ignore them. If I don't show up for work, don't tell my boss why, and ignore repeated requests for explanation, he will fire me. My intention is irrelevant, for it was never disclosed.

Those who wish to know the facts of the matter should read the following documents:

https://supremecourtdocket.mt.gov/view/PR%2014-0698%20Formal%20Complaint%20and%20Citation%20to%20Appear%20--%20Complaint?id={B244F803-CB7C-4384-906A-A2F3F1A4186C}

https://supremecourtdocket.mt.gov/view/PR%2014-0698%20Other%20--%20Complaint?id={CBFDFEA3-EF90-4B78-9E58-FEA6EECD00EB}

https://supremecourtdocket.mt.gov/view/PR%2014-0698%20Findings%20of%20Fact,%20Conclusions%20of%20Law%20and%20Recommendations%20--%20Rulings%20-%20Commissions?id={60D6A950-0000-CB14-922B-1C7AA82D74DE}

https://supremecourtdocket.mt.gov/view/PR%2014-0698%20Final%20Disposition:%20Discipline-Attorney%20--%20Order?id={B0E88351-0000-C914-A38B-6DED42602C10}


I'm sorry it left clients without council, that could have been handled better.


Damn right it could have been handled better.  So you're sorry for his clients, that's really nice of you. Did Rhodes ever tell them he's sorry?
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #229 on: July 08, 2016, 07:30:13 pm »

Thucidydes, I don't know all the facts, you'll have to get those from Stewart himself you wont get them on this forum.

I can only make assumptions to the documents you posted. As to the proof of service, did they have Stewart's signature or the signature of some one else?

As to Attorneys, they are all criminals the way I see it. Their allegiance is to the State first and then their client, they have no interest in justice only just-us (the State). This is why they won't defend their clients GOD given rights in the Administrative Courts. Lawful criminal courts no longer exist under common law, only administrative (civil) courts exist now.

Pursuant to Supreme Court Annotated Statute: “The State citizen is immune from any and all government attacks and procedure”. Dred Scott v. Sanford, 60 U.S. 19 How. 393. The Supreme Court has stated clearly:“...every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen [fellowman] without his consent.” Cruden v. Neale, 2 N.C. 338 2 S.E. 70.

This is why you see a growth of the Private Attorney Generals and 14th Amendment Bounty Hunters. Do you even know what those are?  Now the we have discovered the proper jurisdiction and venue to hold public officials accountable for their crimes we will be educating more. Every LEO, Attorney and Judge is guilty.
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #230 on: July 08, 2016, 07:43:07 pm »

This is why you see a growth of the Private Attorney Generals and 14th Amendment Bounty Hunters. Do you even know what those are?  Now the we have discovered the proper jurisdiction and venue to hold public officials accountable for their crimes we will be educating more. Every LEO, Attorney and Judge is guilty.

Barrett. I do not know of these concepts. Could you give a link where I might inform myself?
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #231 on: July 08, 2016, 07:51:15 pm »


As to Attorneys, they are all criminals the way I see it.


You paint with a broad brush.

Pursuant to Supreme Court Annotated Statute: “The State citizen is immune from any and all government attacks and procedure”. Dred Scott v. Sanford, 60 U.S. 19 How. 393. The Supreme Court has stated clearly:“...every man is independent of all laws, except those prescribed by nature. He is not bound by any institutions formed by his fellowmen [fellowman] without his consent.” Cruden v. Neale, 2 N.C. 338 2 S.E. 70.

No argument here. An acquaintance of mine quoted similar scripture in his defense. His name was Irwin Schiff. He died in prison.


This is why you see a growth of the Private Attorney Generals and 14th Amendment Bounty Hunters. Do you even know what those are?

Yes.

Now the we have discovered the proper jurisdiction and venue to hold public officials accountable for their crimes we will be educating more.

Good luck with that.

Every LEO, Attorney and Judge is guilty.

You cut no slack even for oath keepers who are still employed as LEO's ? For attorneys like those at the Institute for Justice?

A broad brush indeed.
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #232 on: July 08, 2016, 08:14:46 pm »



I stand with Tahn in klapton"s appeal.


Third.
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« Reply #233 on: July 08, 2016, 08:34:41 pm »

This is why you see a growth of the Private Attorney Generals and 14th Amendment Bounty Hunters. Do you even know what those are?  Now the we have discovered the proper jurisdiction and venue to hold public officials accountable for their crimes we will be educating more. Every LEO, Attorney and Judge is guilty.

Barrett. I do not know of these concepts. Could you give a link where I might inform myself?

This recording will be helpful; https:http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp?masterId=48361&cmd=tc

Listen to episode 994 fast forward to the 24 minute mark, the first 24 minutes are silent, Rod was set on mute.


The Private Attorney General/14th Amendment Bounty Hunter (a.k.a. PAG) is any non BAR member lawyer that brings suit against any agency or public official for his unlawful act or omission on behalf of himself or another. These are known as Title 42 TORT Claim. The judicial branch does not have subject matter jurisdiction over these cases. That's why the courts almost always throw the cases out. The jurisdiction actually belongs to the State's  Industrial Commission under the administration. Being that the purported governments and agencies are all individually incorporated (businesses), they fall under the Commission's jurisdiction.


Yes, I do paint with a broad brush. Every one of them has violated someone's rights, whether or not that person knew it or not is not relevant. The biggest problem is due process violations in every case. First off the LEO has no authority to determine probable cause, that belongs to the grand jury alone. Shall I go into the U.S. Attorneys Manual and SCOTUS decisions.

Another SCOTUS desision states that there can be no crime with out a victim (injured party) and the State [a legal fiction] can not be an injured party.
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« Reply #234 on: July 08, 2016, 10:34:28 pm »

Every LEO, Attorney and Judge is guilty.

You cut no slack even for oath keepers who are still employed as LEO's ? For attorneys like those at the Institute for Justice?

A broad brush indeed.

LEOs are a disease.
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Re: Oath Keepers Website Down?
« Reply #235 on: July 09, 2016, 06:23:26 am »



I stand with Tahn in klapton"s appeal.


Third.

Here's the problem... if I let someone - anyone - continue with name calling and attacks I'm accused of "coddling" that person. If I attempt to nip it in the bud (new policy), I'm a nasty censor...  As I've said so many times, I can't win.  Many folks are happy to harp back to when the policy was not enforced well... or at all sometimes. Nobody liked that except the habitual name callers and those who enjoyed the resulting nasty arguments, of course.

This is not a democracy, and I can only follow the policy I've been given. Anyone who really can't stand it... is welcome to the job. Subject to the approval of Elias, of course. Ask him...
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« Reply #236 on: July 09, 2016, 11:42:35 am »



I stand with Tahn in klapton"s appeal.


Third.

Here's the problem... if I let someone - anyone - continue with name calling and attacks I'm accused of "coddling" that person. If I attempt to nip it in the bud (new policy), I'm a nasty censor...  As I've said so many times, I can't win.  Many folks are happy to harp back to when the policy was not enforced well... or at all sometimes. Nobody liked that except the habitual name callers and those who enjoyed the resulting nasty arguments, of course.

This is not a democracy, and I can only follow the policy I've been given. Anyone who really can't stand it... is welcome to the job. Subject to the approval of Elias, of course. Ask him...

I understand ML. I wouldn't want your job at all and think you do a wonderful job at it, being between many rocks and a hard place. I hereby respectfully appeal to Elias, as you suggested, whose decision I will of course, accept  as proper and final, regardless of what it is. He does not even need to give his reasoning or thoughts. His place, his rules, his decision. Period. And Thanks Elias for the place.
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From MamaLiberty; "The Price of Liberty (is) self ownership, self control, integrity and non-aggression."

"The lust to control the lives and property of others is the root of all evil". MamaLiberty

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« Reply #237 on: July 09, 2016, 11:50:10 am »



LEOs are a disease.

LEO's are a symptom of the disease "mala prohibita".
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All human beings have two dogs within them. A good dog and an evil dog. The evil dog is always attacking and fighting the good dog. Which one wins?
The one you feed!
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Government is a meme, woven within a supporting memeplex.

Who ever frames the argument, kicks ass.

From MamaLiberty; "The Price of Liberty (is) self ownership, self control, integrity and non-aggression."

"The lust to control the lives and property of others is the root of all evil". MamaLiberty

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« Reply #238 on: July 09, 2016, 12:43:26 pm »

LEO's are a symptom of the disease "mala prohibita".

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« Reply #239 on: July 09, 2016, 06:24:07 pm »

Stewart made the news... Calling for militias to attack Black Lives Matter activists... Brilliant, start a race war, that'll give you freedom.
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