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[Tahn L.]

In one of my posts, I mistakenly referenced the number of States that allowed Constitutional Carry as 5, (it was followed by a question mark). A TMM member PM'ed me to correct that number to 8 and I wish to thank them for taking the time to point out my error.

This quote from wikipedia says; "As of April 15, 2016, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas[disputed], Idaho (effective July 1, 2016; residents only), Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Puerto Rico[disputed], Vermont, West Virginia[5] and Wyoming (residents only) do not require a permit to carry a concealed firearm for any person of age (usually 21 and older) who is not prohibited from owning a firearm. Permitless carry in Idaho and Wyoming is applicable to residents only; non-residents must have a permit to carry a concealed handgun in these states. All aforementioned jurisdictions do not require a permit to openly carry either."


The article can be referenced here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_carry

Please note that 2 states, Idaho and Wyoming, allow CC for residents only, which is not really Constitutional Carry but nevertheless , concealed carry by residents. Better than most.

Disregarding the territory Puerto Rico, which is disputed, and Arkansas, which is also disputed AND excluding the resident only states of Idaho and Wyoming, that leaves 7 states with Constitutional Carry, 9 states with concealed carry for their citizens and possibly 10 states with laws very close to CC.

This is the same number that Claire used in her article referenced in another thread in this new sub-category of "Encouraging Freedom News".  http://zelmanpartisans.com/?p=2994

If we discount Idaho and Wyoming but include Arkansas, this does indeed amount to 8.

In addition, Claire states that Oklahoma recognizes Constitutional Carry within its borders for visitors who are residents of those states which allow it for their own citizens but strangely does not allow for the citizens of Oklahoma, if I interpreted this correctly.

Regardless of the absolutely correct number, this is a far cry from where we were a decade ago. Let us continue to march back to freedom in all areas. Several states have legislatures trying to restore Constitutional Carry, including Missouri.

If anyone here could furnish a better reference site for the latest news concerning Constitutional Carry than Wikipedia, I would greatly appreciate it.

[MamaLiberty]

Not that I care about the "constitution," of course, but I don't remember anything in the 2A about all this:

for any person of age (usually 21 and older) who is not prohibited from owning a firearm. Permitless carry in Idaho and Wyoming is applicable to residents only; non-residents must have a permit to carry a concealed handgun in these states.

So, since this is no part of the 2A, I wonder how it can be called "constitutional carry."

Just me being a picky butt.... 

[Tahn L.]

Not that I care about the "constitution," of course, but I don't remember anything in the 2A about all this:

for any person of age (usually 21 and older) who is not prohibited from owning a firearm. Permitless carry in Idaho and Wyoming is applicable to residents only; non-residents must have a permit to carry a concealed handgun in these states.

So, since this is no part of the 2A, I wonder how it can be called "constitutional carry."

Just me being a picky butt.... 

I did say "Please note that 2 states, Idaho and Wyoming, allow CC for residents only, which is not really Constitutional Carry but nevertheless , concealed carry by residents. Better than most."

Although I agree Ms. Picky Butt, that in real Constitutional Carry, no ones right would be abridged.   

Still, I like the sentiment and spirit of applying the concept of the Constitution to todays people. A parallax meme as Shorty Dawkins stated. I just wish we could transfer that concept of freedom under the constitution to all aspects of modern life.

[DiabloLoco]

Just me being a picky butt.... 

Please wash your hands before you go pointing out mistakes. Nobody around here needs pinkeye.

[MamaLiberty]

I just wish we could transfer that concept of freedom under the constitution to all aspects of modern life.

There is NO "concept of freedom" in the constitution. That's the problem. sigh As long as good people continue to cling to that fraud and hang their hopes on it for their freedom, the charade will continue.  If people could ever get past that lie, there might be a chance for real individual liberty.  But that's not going to happen for the foreseeable future.

[Cherokee]

Freedom is not a concept. It is a real thing that either exists or doesn't in any particular place and time. They constitution was not formulated to uphold a concept, but a reality. Even so, the constitution in actuality upholds nothing, but charges the people with upholding freedom. The constitution is an attempt at some specific guidelines to help the people do that.

[heyoka]

Freedom is not a concept. It is a real thing that either exists or doesn't in any particular place and time. They constitution was not formulated to uphold a concept, but a reality. Even so, the constitution in actuality upholds nothing, but charges the people with upholding freedom. The constitution is an attempt at some specific guidelines to help the people do that.

[Tahn L.]

I contend that the Constitution DOES indeed express a “concept of freedom” in several ways.

For the first time in history, it attempts to specifically LIMIT the right of any government to certain specific powers. That it has failed to do so in no way changes the concept it attempted to express.

 The Bill of Rights, the most important part of the Constitution, specifically enumerates certain natural “rights” that all people have, (not enough of them obviously) but most importantly, again for the first time in history, it prohibits the government from abridging those rights. Again, the fact that it has failed to do so does not abrogate the fact that it expressed “concepts of freedom” that I wish could be transferred to all aspects of modern life.

I do believe that the Zero Aggression Principle, combined with the right of self defense, more clearly expresses the true concept of “freedom” but that in no way suggests that the Constitution did not clearly express “the concept of freedom”.

Cherokee, you are not wrong in saying that freedom either exists or it does not but I do not believe that I am in error in stating that the Constitution does “express” a concept of freedom. One never before attempted in such detail. 

[Barrett K]

Tahn, you are correct in the sense that the constitution does guarantee our freedom due to the fact that the powers ordained by the people to the governments both state and federal never allowed any legislative authority over the people.

[Tahn L.]

As of Jan 1, 2017 ADD Missouri to the list of Constitutional Carry States. Growing!

[Tahn L.]

The addition of New Hampshire and North Dakota brings the total number of permitless carry states to 14. The other 12 are Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Vermont, Wyoming, and West Virginia.