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AerialDemonMutt

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Cocaine, legel until 1914
« on: January 28, 2017, 07:13:07 am »

Wyoming cocaine use at the turn of the century

 These days, we hear a lot about marijuana, meth and prescription drug abuse here in Wyoming. 100 years ago, the Cowboy State had a different drug of choice, cocaine.

According to a recent Westword article, cocaine use was prevalent all over Wyoming in the early 1900s

And it wasnít hard to find. In those days, Wyoming law allowed anyone with a medical license to prescribe cocaine for any reason.

The stateís biggest drug dealers were doctors


http://mycountry955.com/wyomings-cocaine-epidemic-in-the-early-1900s/
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2017, 09:29:58 am »

The stateís biggest drug dealers were doctors


That's a crock. Doctors were providing things people wanted. As it should be. Drug use (or anything else) is not the legitimate business of any non-voluntary government. The ongoing disaster of the "War on (some) drugs" is ample proof. Each individual is still responsible for what they put into/on or around (think cars and so forth) their bodies, and each person must live with the consequences of those decisions - whether it is cocaine or pop tarts.

Death is the ultimate consequence, of course. But it is still nobody else's business.
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2017, 11:12:24 am »

That's a crock. Doctors were providing things people wanted. As it should be. Drug use (or anything else) is not the legitimate business of any non-voluntary government. The ongoing disaster of the "War on (some) drugs" is ample proof. Each individual is still responsible for what they put into/on or around (think cars and so forth) their bodies, and each person must live with the consequences of those decisions - whether it is cocaine or pop tarts.

Death is the ultimate consequence, of course. But it is still nobody else's business.

Preach it, MamaLiberty! Absolutely. Arrest for cultivation, processing, sales, purchase, possession, or ingestion of a chemical is kidnapping, a capital offense. Hang the narcs. Every last one of them. Of course, it would be better for the victims to shoot the perps during their false arrest.
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2017, 11:21:32 am »

The stateís biggest drug dealers were doctors


That's a crock. Doctors were providing things people wanted. As it should be.

ML, I am not sure if you were actually saying that in the time period ADM was referring to, that Doctors were NOT the biggest drug dealers. The biggest dealers were probably the pharmacy/drug stores and Doctors were just the "enablers", so to speak but you are certainly correct that it shouldn't be anyone's business but the purchasers.
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2017, 11:28:11 am »

Of course, it would be better for the victims to shoot the perps during their false arrest.

Well yes, of course. That's very risky, however - or at least has been up until recently. :) I do expect to see more of that response from the victims in the future. The goons and official perps are going to have to get their priorities straight. Uncle Sam is out of money, for one thing, and there are an awful lot of other things going on right now. The hysteria between the special interest groups, the various agendas of government departments and agencies, and the vast movements of people "protesting" this and that. Seems that would hold their attention for a little while. :)

But I don't know what makes these perps madder... being shot at or being made to look like fools.

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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2017, 03:51:56 pm »

That's a crock. Doctors were providing things people wanted. As it should be. Drug use (or anything else) is not the legitimate business of any non-voluntary government. The ongoing disaster of the "War on (some) drugs" is ample proof. Each individual is still responsible for what they put into/on or around (think cars and so forth) their bodies, and each person must live with the consequences of those decisions - whether it is cocaine or pop tarts.

Death is the ultimate consequence, of course. But it is still nobody else's business.

Preach it, MamaLiberty! Absolutely. Arrest for cultivation, processing, sales, purchase, possession, or ingestion of a chemical is kidnapping, a capital offense. Hang the narcs. Every last one of them. Of course, it would be better for the victims to shoot the perps during their false arrest.

In Wyoming and most of the dusty midwestern places, there's a saying.  S, S & S.  Shoot, Shovel, Shut up.
In coastal and most swamp, river and bayou country, they had a different saying:  Feed 'em to the gators/crabs.

Anyone who makes the news doing this is either SLOPPY or wanted to make a statement if they did it intentionally.
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2017, 10:18:03 am »

FWIW, IMO:  ALL drugs should be legalized; take what one wants, whenever, enjoy, or pay whatever consequences. Let Caveat Emptor prevail.
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2017, 11:32:55 am »

Indeed
People are going to do what they are going to do.
No sense in making a bunch of scum bags rich with economic distortion, or empowering gubmint drug thugs.

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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2017, 09:46:12 am »

FWIW, IMO:  ALL drugs should be legalized; take what one wants, whenever, enjoy, or pay whatever consequences. Let Caveat Emptor prevail.

Yep. Drug abuse is a self-correcting problem. The natural consequences are swift, sure, and absolutely fair.

Arrest for self-medication, however, is kidnapping, a capital crime.
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2017, 10:10:44 am »

From my experience, and what I can gather from professional journals (can't link) is that the "war on drugs" is most responsible for the supposed "overdose" deaths, and most of those are not from an overdose of narcotics. Most are the result of taking narcotics along with other drugs, notably alcohol. There are usually more than these two substances involved, and the alcohol is the true killer. Alcohol causes anything else ingested to be absorbed faster and made biologically available faster.  Thus the potency of the narcotic can be boosted many times.

The second reason, again purely a function of the prohibition, is that "street drugs" can and may be diluted with pretty much anything, many of those things being directly toxic or even deadly... though the smart dealers won't be doing things deliberately to kill their customers, of course. But a baggie of cocaine, for example, intended to be taken orally (or by nose), might instead be mistaken for something that can be injected. In that case, it might well be lethal.

And we all know that a great cause of the violence that surrounds drug dealing (and to a lesser extent, use), is that there is no rational recourse for disputes. To whom would one complain or how else would one seek restitution? If you got the bad stuff in a pharmacy, or from a grower in a free market, there would be many safer and reasonable options.  Even for the few true "addicts."

Edit: Forgot to mention that the reports of these "overdose deaths" make little or no mention of what else was taken. They also don't begin to relate the effect of the drug on people who are malnourished, or otherwise in poor health. The poison is in the dose, but also in the overall condition of the person who ingests it.
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Re: Cocaine, legel until 1914
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2017, 10:41:40 am »

Well,  I agree with everyone's post on this thread. Kind of unusual but I like it!

WELCOME ArcLighter   :hello:
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