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Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« on: February 12, 2017, 04:19:01 pm »

Hillary really is a nasty woman, isn't she?  Hillary "tweeted" "3.0" (referring to the judges who were against Trumps "travel ban".

I suppose we can take this to mean that she supports liberal activist judges  She also supports causing America the same problems that Europe has experienced with being overrun with Muslim "refugees".  Imagine how that would have panned out.. 

Presumably these liberal activist judges are the kind of people she would have appointed to the supreme court.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/89284951/hillary-clinton-subtweets-donald-trump-30

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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2017, 11:56:25 pm »

 during the election I said that a worst case Hillary scenario wouldn't be as bad as a worse case Trump scenario. And I still think that might be true, because all these ANTIFA fruit loops acting out is not only possibly gonna get the jack boots to stomping, it might do so with the blessing of many who claim to be against jack boots.
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2017, 05:00:20 am »

during the election I said that a worst case Hillary scenario wouldn't be as bad as a worse case Trump scenario. And I still think that might be true, because all these ANTIFA fruit loops acting out is not only possibly gonna get the jack boots to stomping, it might do so with the blessing of many who claim to be against jack boots.

I still have a lot of faith in people having "the courage of their convictions", they know what they want and would not be willing to compromise.  So giving their blessing to jackboots when they have claimed to be against them would be giving away their humanity and freedom and isn't rejecting Hillary part of the world-wide trend that says "a lot of people are just not prepared to give up freedom for perceived (very much perceived) safety?

"ANTIFA liberal snowflakes" are that stupid (and "celebrities" maybe) but no one else.

Just my thoughts.
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2017, 07:11:50 am »

Seems to me that the real problem is that so many people have no real idea what "liberty" actually means, and have no desire at all to take personal responsibility for their lives and safety. So, if someone comes along who offers them this false "freedom" from responsibility, they are happy to send the jack boots against anyone who threatens that bogus "safety." Very few people seem to think that they, themselves need government control, but always everyone else.
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2017, 07:17:00 am »

Seems to me that the real problem is that so many people have no real idea what "liberty" actually means, and have no desire at all to take personal responsibility for their lives and safety. So, if someone comes along who offers them this false "freedom" from responsibility, they are happy to send the jack boots against anyone who threatens that bogus "safety." Very few people seem to think that they, themselves need government control, but always everyone else.

Most people, maybe 98% of them, Have been given things that makes life comfortable, so if they lose some freedom, so be it, as long as they are comfortable.

so until things get really bad, people will give up freedom and with a smile. as long as they feel comfortable.
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2017, 07:30:49 am »


so until things get really bad, people will give up freedom and with a smile. as long as they feel comfortable.

That may be part of it, but not all by any means. I'm quite comfortable. Have been most of my life. I have no desire at all to give up my freedom. But I AM responsible for myself. I still think that's the crucial point. And I have known many, many people who were downright miserable, even near to death because of it, but they had no interest at all in real liberty for themselves or their families because it was all someone else's "fault," and they expected the world to make them happy and rich. They refused to accept responsibility for themselves even as they died - or watched their loved ones die in agony. 
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2017, 08:56:31 am »

A lot of it goes back to the old hypocrisy that seems to be a marker of American politics. here is an interesting article about the American hypocrisy when it comes to the jack boot stomping down
http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/2014/12/law-and-order-leninism.html
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2017, 09:17:22 am »

A lot of it goes back to the old hypocrisy that seems to be a marker of American politics. here is an interesting article about the American hypocrisy when it comes to the jack boot stomping down


The bottom line question is: By what legitimate authority?  Hypocrisy would be in believing one thing, but doing something else. I suspect that most people do not even question the "authority" of government at all, merely object to some - or much - of what it does. The response is, "we just have to elect the right people." That seems to cover it for most folks I talk to. They never question how this non-voluntary government actually has any legitimate authority over them... and are usually not willing to even consider that it does not... that they have the ultimate legitimate authority over themselves. To accept that, and live that way, would require that they accept personal responsibility for themselves and their families. And that's just too scary and difficult...

But I think that's the question we need to ask constantly if we wish to help people move toward liberty.
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2017, 03:55:32 pm »

A lot of it goes back to the old hypocrisy that seems to be a marker of American politics. here is an interesting article about the American hypocrisy when it comes to the jack boot stomping down


The bottom line question is: By what legitimate authority?  Hypocrisy would be in believing one thing, but doing something else. I suspect that most people do not even question the "authority" of government at all, merely object to some - or much - of what it does. The response is, "we just have to elect the right people." That seems to cover it for most folks I talk to. They never question how this non-voluntary government actually has any legitimate authority over them... and are usually not willing to even consider that it does not... that they have the ultimate legitimate authority over themselves. To accept that, and live that way, would require that they accept personal responsibility for themselves and their families. And that's just too scary and difficult...

But I think that's the question we need to ask constantly if we wish to help people move toward liberty.

Maybe doublethink would be a better description of the mentality I am describing rather than hypocrisy. To give another example, I used to be on facebook and was a member of a gun/gun rights page.  after the admittedly suspicious death of Sandra Bland in police custoedy down in East Texas,  the new black panthers and other groups converged on the courthouse in an armed march. People from a GUN RIGHTS group were  calling for  law enforcement to randomly check people's ID's and arrest those who might be carrying "illegally". HUH???????? I was floored. Does it not occur to people that if  the rules don't apply to one group, they don't apply to ANY group.
 
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2017, 04:31:30 pm »

Does it not occur to people that if  the rules don't apply to one group, they don't apply to ANY group.

Nope. I'm afraid an awful lot of people - even those who carry a gun - think it is perfectly reasonable for THEM to carry, but are suspicious of everyone else they don't know personally... and some even then. And this goes pretty much across the board. THEY are trustworthy, but they see no problem with "laws" that treat everyone else as guilty until proven innocent. And no "innocence" for certain types of OTHER people even then. And if they think something really should be "against the law," they are quite willing to push "those people" under the bus at any opportunity. That attitude is what keeps the "war on drugs" going strong.

About as far from the "live and let live" and non aggression principles as it can get. They do not see their actions as aggression, but as "law abiding." Regardless of who is destroyed in the meantime.
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2017, 09:10:18 am »

during the election I said that a worst case Hillary scenario wouldn't be as bad as a worse case Trump scenario. And I still think that might be true, because all these ANTIFA fruit loops acting out is not only possibly gonna get the jack boots to stomping, it might do so with the blessing of many who claim to be against jack boots.

Jack boots cracking heads?  No.  Property owners defending their property against destruction?  Absolutely.  I'd not shed a single tear if a dozen or so of the vandals were found face down in a pool of their own blood.  It might cause a spark of self preservation in the minds of other would-be vandals.  Might.
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Re: Now we realise what a good thing it was that Hillary didn't win
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2017, 05:43:27 pm »

during the election I said that a worst case Hillary scenario wouldn't be as bad as a worse case Trump scenario. And I still think that might be true, because all these ANTIFA fruit loops acting out is not only possibly gonna get the jack boots to stomping, it might do so with the blessing of many who claim to be against jack boots.

Jack boots cracking heads?  No.  Property owners defending their property against destruction?  Absolutely.  I'd not shed a single tear if a dozen or so of the vandals were found face down in a pool of their own blood.  It might cause a spark of self preservation in the minds of other would-be vandals.  Might.


I'm surprised at how restrained business owners have been so far......but I AM concerned that the ANGTIFA fruit loop violence is going to  be used as an excuse for some type of civil liberty violations toward the population at large(gun restrictions, stop and frisk style stuff), and a lot of so called "small government" types will be all for it because they see it as being directed at people who "deserve" it.
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