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Hmmn "the government shall make no law that infringes upon a citizen's right to bear arms ……." but yet …….

And a "law" that supports the "guilty until proven innocent" mantra.  I'm sure this is only the beginning of the killings.

And "accountability", well, it seems that there is such a thing as "justifiable murder, government has the 'right' to kill on a whim".

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=59320

Police in the Democrat haven of Maryland shot and killed a man in his home on Monday while serving a "protective order" under a new law which allows them to seize people's guns without due process.

Since the new gun confiscation law went into effect on October 1st, police have carried out 114 such confiscation orders, which comes out to over 3 such seizures every day.

From The Baltimore Sun:
Two Anne Arundel County police officers serving one of the new "red flag" protective orders to remove guns from a house killed a Ferndale man after he refused to give up his gun and a struggle ensued early Monday morning, police said.

The subject of the protective order, Gary J. Willis, 60, answered his door in the 100 block of Linwood Ave. at 5:17 a.m. with a gun in his hand, Anne Arundel County police said. He initially put the gun down next to the door, but "became irate" when officers began to serve him with the order, opened the door and picked up the gun again, police said.

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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2018, 06:53:34 pm »

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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2018, 11:52:21 pm »

try that with me and you will need more than one body bag
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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2018, 10:36:20 am »

Amen. Ought 7.
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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2018, 01:17:53 pm »

NOT   A   LAWFULL   /    LEGAL   /   LAW.....IS   AGAINST   THE   CONSTITUTION...../    NOT    LEGAL   TO   ENFORCE..../   THOSE   PERSONS.....BE   THEY   PEACE   OFFICERS   OR   SOME   OTHEFR   TYPE   OF   JACK-BOOTED   THUGS   SHOULD   BE   CONFINED  /   INCARCEATED   ...   IN   SOME   DEEP...   DARK....HOLE..../     FOUND   GUILTY   OF   TREASON   &  HUNG   FROM    LAMP-POSTS....TIME   FAST   APPROACHING   FOR   L.P.D. .....not   that  I  would   advocate   any   non   legal    activity....no,    not   me.....he....he.....he.....
For the record, I disapprove of this sort of language. Righteous indignation is of course in order in the wake of this travesty, but here at TMM we should refrain from advocating violence, even when it is obviously warranted. The cops who murdered this American citizen used a bogus and un-Constitutional "law" (which is not a law in reality) are certainly to blame, and the idiots who created that alleged "law" are just as guilty as the cops who did the deed. I get it.
However, I'm hoping that on this forum we have enough self-control to remember our Voluntaryist roots as people who advocate for "Love's Thought System". Love's Thought System includes the fine art of "Forgiveness". I am not asking anyone to forgive the cops or the idiots who sent the cops to violate this citizen's (allegedly) protected rights, but am simply reminding readers here that TMM does not advocate violence even in a case like this. "Hanging from lamp-posts" is not the kind of language I'd expect here. In any better world, we would have access to the officers who did this and would be able to show them the error, and remind them of the guilt of murder which now they must live with for the rest of their lives, but offer them the opportunity to correct their misguided, programmed, trained, brainwashed perception of how to "do their job" or mindlessly "follow orders". That is how we heal the problem. We do not heal anything by exclaiming on a public forum that the bastards should be hung.
Please note that I'm not condemning you for your gut reaction. I'm sure that America right now is teeming withcountless individuals who are feeling the same horror as you are. I feel it too. But I am also maintaining personal control over the consciousness I share with my fellow man. As Claire has said, it's not "Time to shoot the bastards". We need to open their eyes to the evil which has been implanted into their perception by the powers that be, and help them see through the great deception and become like us.
See what I mean? It is my opinion that we are all involved in what the U.S. Army coined in 1980 as "MindWar". Displaying open hostility and capital punishment only serves to reinforce the botched mindset so many cops hold these days.
Thank you so much for considering what I've said here. Carry on with my blessing.
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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2018, 08:27:10 pm »

NOT   A   LAWFULL   /    LEGAL   /   LAW.....IS   AGAINST   THE   CONSTITUTION...../    NOT    LEGAL   TO   ENFORCE..../   THOSE   PERSONS.....BE   THEY   PEACE   OFFICERS   OR   SOME   OTHEFR   TYPE   OF   JACK-BOOTED   THUGS   SHOULD   BE   CONFINED  /   INCARCEATED   ...   IN   SOME   DEEP...   DARK....HOLE..../     FOUND   GUILTY   OF   TREASON   &  HUNG   FROM    LAMP-POSTS....TIME   FAST   APPROACHING   FOR   L.P.D. .....not   that  I  would   advocate   any   non   legal    activity....no,    not   me.....he....he.....he.....
For the record, I disapprove of this sort of language. Righteous indignation is of course in order in the wake of this travesty, but here at TMM we should refrain from advocating violence, even when it is obviously warranted. The cops who murdered this American citizen used a bogus and un-Constitutional "law" (which is not a law in reality) are certainly to blame, and the idiots who created that alleged "law" are just as guilty as the cops who did the deed. I get it.
However, I'm hoping that on this forum we have enough self-control to remember our Voluntaryist roots as people who advocate for "Love's Thought System". Love's Thought System includes the fine art of "Forgiveness". I am not asking anyone to forgive the cops or the idiots who sent the cops to violate this citizen's (allegedly) protected rights, but am simply reminding readers here that TMM does not advocate violence even in a case like this. "Hanging from lamp-posts" is not the kind of language I'd expect here. In any better world, we would have access to the officers who did this and would be able to show them the error, and remind them of the guilt of murder which now they must live with for the rest of their lives, but offer them the opportunity to correct their misguided, programmed, trained, brainwashed perception of how to "do their job" or mindlessly "follow orders". That is how we heal the problem. We do not heal anything by exclaiming on a public forum that the bastards should be hung.
Please note that I'm not condemning you for your gut reaction. I'm sure that America right now is teeming withcountless individuals who are feeling the same horror as you are. I feel it too. But I am also maintaining personal control over the consciousness I share with my fellow man. As Claire has said, it's not "Time to shoot the bastards". We need to open their eyes to the evil which has been implanted into their perception by the powers that be, and help them see through the great deception and become like us.
See what I mean? It is my opinion that we are all involved in what the U.S. Army coined in 1980 as "MindWar". Displaying open hostility and capital punishment only serves to reinforce the botched mindset so many cops hold these days.
Thank you so much for considering what I've said here. Carry on with my blessing.
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In defence of this post, he is not advocating violence.  Just venting I guess.  We've all talked about "lamp post day" before, I don't suppose it will literally happen, it is usually just a metaphor for "holding people to account" and "changing the way things are done".  (well, I'll admit that maybe I'm guilty of assuming too much with this).

It has taken me a long time to realise that, although it might be true that we "We need to open their eyes to the evil which has been implanted into their perception by the powers that be, and help them see through the great deception and become like us", this just won't happen.  Propaganda has been allowed to reign for too long, evil incompetent people who have something to personally gain from "using their position" to bully, control and push around other people, have been allowed to reign for too long.  You can "take the person out of the swamp, but you can't take the swamp out of the person".  Although I am sure that we could "reason with" and change the mind of SOME people (in a position of power) others are just beyond it, "you can't reason with pork" (ok, the expression is "you can't educate pork", but I think that works just as well).

Forgiveness is great.  I love forgiveness, and I think it is essential if we are ever to live normal lives without being consumed by thoughts of past wrongdoings every waking minute, BUT, FORGIVENESS ONLY WORKS IF WE CAN BE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE "WRONGDOING" IS NEVER GOING TO OCCUR AGAIN!  If it does, "all bets are off".

If "it's not time to shoot the bastards" (yet), when is time?  I have seen the world change so drastically in the last 10 years or so that I am really in fear of what sort of a world my granchildren will inherit.  I unexpectantly met an old friend I haven't seen since the early 1970s yesterday.  She said "remember when we all - just about everyone I knew had that attitude - said that we were never gonna have any kids because we didn't want to impose 'this horrible world' on them?  Well it was 'nothing' in 1972, but I really fear for the future of babies born today".  I had to agree 100%.  Pure evil is rampant everywhere today and we seem to be just accepting it as normal.


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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2018, 01:48:07 am »

NOT   A   LAWFULL   /    LEGAL   /   LAW.....IS   AGAINST   THE   CONSTITUTION...../    NOT    LEGAL   TO   ENFORCE..../   THOSE   PERSONS.....BE   THEY   PEACE   OFFICERS   OR   SOME   OTHEFR   TYPE   OF   JACK-BOOTED   THUGS   SHOULD   BE   CONFINED  /   INCARCEATED   ...   IN   SOME   DEEP...   DARK....HOLE..../     FOUND   GUILTY   OF   TREASON   &  HUNG   FROM    LAMP-POSTS....TIME   FAST   APPROACHING   FOR   L.P.D. .....not   that  I  would   advocate   any   non   legal    activity....no,    not   me.....he....he.....he.....
For the record, I disapprove of this sort of language. Righteous indignation is of course in order in the wake of this travesty, but here at TMM we should refrain from advocating violence, even when it is obviously warranted. The cops who murdered this American citizen used a bogus and un-Constitutional "law" (which is not a law in reality) are certainly to blame, and the idiots who created that alleged "law" are just as guilty as the cops who did the deed. I get it.
However, I'm hoping that on this forum we have enough self-control to remember our Voluntaryist roots as people who advocate for "Love's Thought System". Love's Thought System includes the fine art of "Forgiveness". I am not asking anyone to forgive the cops or the idiots who sent the cops to violate this citizen's (allegedly) protected rights, but am simply reminding readers here that TMM does not advocate violence even in a case like this. "Hanging from lamp-posts" is not the kind of language I'd expect here. In any better world, we would have access to the officers who did this and would be able to show them the error, and remind them of the guilt of murder which now they must live with for the rest of their lives, but offer them the opportunity to correct their misguided, programmed, trained, brainwashed perception of how to "do their job" or mindlessly "follow orders". That is how we heal the problem. We do not heal anything by exclaiming on a public forum that the bastards should be hung.
Please note that I'm not condemning you for your gut reaction. I'm sure that America right now is teeming withcountless individuals who are feeling the same horror as you are. I feel it too. But I am also maintaining personal control over the consciousness I share with my fellow man. As Claire has said, it's not "Time to shoot the bastards". We need to open their eyes to the evil which has been implanted into their perception by the powers that be, and help them see through the great deception and become like us.
See what I mean? It is my opinion that we are all involved in what the U.S. Army coined in 1980 as "MindWar". Displaying open hostility and capital punishment only serves to reinforce the botched mindset so many cops hold these days.
Thank you so much for considering what I've said here. Carry on with my blessing.
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Elias

In defence of this post, he is not advocating violence.  Just venting I guess.  We've all talked about "lamp post day" before, I don't suppose it will literally happen, it is usually just a metaphor for "holding people to account" and "changing the way things are done".  (well, I'll admit that maybe I'm guilty of assuming too much with this).

It has taken me a long time to realise that, although it might be true that we "We need to open their eyes to the evil which has been implanted into their perception by the powers that be, and help them see through the great deception and become like us", this just won't happen.  Propaganda has been allowed to reign for too long, evil incompetent people who have something to personally gain from "using their position" to bully, control and push around other people, have been allowed to reign for too long.  You can "take the person out of the swamp, but you can't take the swamp out of the person".  Although I am sure that we could "reason with" and change the mind of SOME people (in a position of power) others are just beyond it, "you can't reason with pork" (ok, the expression is "you can't educate pork", but I think that works just as well).

Forgiveness is great.  I love forgiveness, and I think it is essential if we are ever to live normal lives without being consumed by thoughts of past wrongdoings every waking minute, BUT, FORGIVENESS ONLY WORKS IF WE CAN BE ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT THE "WRONGDOING" IS NEVER GOING TO OCCUR AGAIN!  If it does, "all bets are off".

If "it's not time to shoot the bastards" (yet), when is time?  I have seen the world change so drastically in the last 10 years or so that I am really in fear of what sort of a world my granchildren will inherit.  I unexpectantly met an old friend I haven't seen since the early 1970s yesterday.  She said "remember when we all - just about everyone I knew had that attitude - said that we were never gonna have any kids because we didn't want to impose 'this horrible world' on them?  Well it was 'nothing' in 1972, but I really fear for the future of babies born today".  I had to agree 100%.  Pure evil is rampant everywhere today and we seem to be just accepting it as normal.

Outstanding post Mouse.

Some evil can't be forgiven. Even if it will never occur again.

Throughout history those who do these kind of things can rarely, if ever, be brought to understand that what they did was very wrong.
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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2018, 06:26:16 am »

my   perspective    is   different    from   many   people.....not    right   or   wrong ....just    different.....I  am   71....have   " seen   the  Elephant "    /    grew   up   in   law   enforcement   family  /   enlisted   in   U.S. ARMY   at    19   /    served   in   VIETNAM   /    did   stint   in   RHODESIA   before   it   became   ZIMBABWE   /    wounded   in   both   places   /    am   a   grand-father,   &   yes,   I   also   planned   on   not   having    children   in   the   '70's    because   of   world   situation..../     just    my   $.05   worth.....casca...the   old  grunt   in   the    Maine    woods.....
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2018, 04:34:39 pm »

my   perspective    is   different    from   many   people.....not    right   or   wrong ....just    different.....I  am   71....have   " seen   the  Elephant "    /    grew   up   in   law   enforcement   family  /   enlisted   in   U.S. ARMY   at    19   /    served   in   VIETNAM   /    did   stint   in   RHODESIA   before   it   became   ZIMBABWE   /    wounded   in   both   places   /    am   a   grand-father,   &   yes,   I   also   planned   on   not   having    children   in   the   '70's    because   of   world   situation..../     just    my   $.05   worth.....casca...the   old  grunt   in   the    Maine    woods.....

Hey casca-503 ---
I have just dropped by here for a quick moment, and I see that you censored your post above. Please understand that you did not need to do that, because actually your initial outrage is a valuable part of this thread. Further, as mouse pointed out, you were not threatening violence, just venting the outrage which we all feel about this particular travesty (and so many others!), and by the time this thread gets done anyone of nafarious intent will have absolutely no gain from spending their time reading the thread, lol.  As I have quoted your post anyway, it's here for you to copy-paste if you'd like to put the text back into your post as originally written.  Please understand that I am a hurried harrier every waking minute, and must often "fire from the hip on the march", as you likely did at times in Viet Nam. I was hoping that I did not come across as condemning your sentiment or as objecting to your post being here. Your feeling, and sense of betrayal by our own government is an important part of our consciousness as Americans, and for most people it is a very valid expression of their own feelings. So, if you'd like to, please feel invited to put your text back up. If not, that's cool too.

There are two other things I would like to say. First, I intend to be back here to address the points put forth by mouse, and to talk more about Forgiveness and how forgiveness may be a subjective tool which some of us will use for our own advancement mentally and spiritually. Secondly, I want to get more from others here about the insanity of what those cops did in Maryland, as well as the whole "anti-gun" craziness infesting so many statist minds in our country. So I will be back here as quickly as possible and will enjoy adding more to this thread. I think this thread is a darned good thread and I'm hoping to see it develop.

Closing, let me thank you for your service! Also, thank you for being here and sharing your thoughts with this forum. I hope you'll forgive my inability to make some things more clear as I hurriedly typed my post to you earlier.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2018, 12:32:09 am »

Firstly I must apologise for saying annoying things sometimes, I do tend to "put my oar" into a conversation and say things that people do not want to hear - BUT YOU DID ASK!  You said you would discuss "forgiveness" and I just can't resist it, plus it would be really good to hear what anyone else has to say on this.  Maybe someone will come up with a point that I'd never thought of.

Forgiveness, to me, is essential to life, the continued peaceful existence of our species.  However, it is necessary to be sure that it is always used appropriately.  I might say that the police who killed Mr Willis in the OP should be forgiven, BUT THE FORGIVENESS IN THAT CASE IS NOT MINE TO GIVE!  The victim is the only one who can possibly forgive his killers, and seeing as he is dead and can never do that, the burden falls to his wife or surviving family - whoever is left.  He, she or they can forgive these men (I presume the police were men) for the killing but it is up to everybody in the entire country to forgive them for their complacency in physically supporting "gun control laws", for "following orders" that are obviously immoral and unconstitutional, without question, for doing the bidding of an evil manipulating "deep state".

Also, as I said before forgiveness only works if we can be absolutely sure that the incident we are forgiving will not ever happen again AND IN THIS CASE WE CAN BE PRETTY SURE THAT IT ABSOLUTELY WILL HAPPEN AGAIN!

Ideally we (or you I guess, the people in America, coz I'm not pretending to speak for you all) could say "I forgive you for doing this, so go and sin no more", but we all know that's not going to happen.

So if this incident is forgiven, it is tantamount to condoning it.  (I'm sure there are a lot of people (democrats - being facetious) who would condone it, with glee, but they're not going to believe in "go and sin no more" much less think there's something wrong with killing someone who wants to hang onto his 2nd amendment right).
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2018, 12:36:00 am »

my   perspective    is   different    from   many   people.....not    right   or   wrong ....just    different.....I  am   71....have   " seen   the  Elephant "    /    grew   up   in   law   enforcement   family  /   enlisted   in   U.S. ARMY   at    19   /    served   in   VIETNAM   /    did   stint   in   RHODESIA   before   it   became   ZIMBABWE   /    wounded   in   both   places   /    am   a   grand-father,   &   yes,   I   also   planned   on   not   having    children   in   the   '70's    because   of   world   situation..../     just    my   $.05   worth.....casca...the   old  grunt   in   the    Maine    woods.....


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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2018, 04:37:19 pm »

You know when I said "in this case we can be pretty sure that it will happen again", well:

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/11/16/eric-swalwell-if-gun-owners-defy-assault-weapons-ban-the-government-has-nukes/

Rep. Eric Swalwell (D-CA) defended a potential “assault weapons” buyback Friday afternoon, saying that if gun owners defy a legislative ban, “the government has nukes.”
The exchange began with conservative Twitter commentator Joe Biggs responding to a story on Swalwell’s Thursday op-ed in USA Today, titled “Ban assault weapons, buy them back, go after resisters.” “@RepSwalwell wants a war,” Biggs wrote. “Because that’s what you would get.”

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It goes on to say:  Biggs responded by asking, “So our government would nuke its own country in order to take guns? Wow.”
Swalwell countered by asking Biggs to quit being “dramatic” about the casual reference to weapons of mass destruction

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Well, yeah sure, that's EXACTLY how I read what he is saying.  Biggs is not "being dramatic", Stalwell is threatening to burn up people and their families for the "crime" of exercising their 2nd amendment rights.

However, I'm thinking right now that it wouldn't actually come to that because after a few families (holdouts) have been murdered by police "only doing their jobs", the rest would just "roll over" and submit to their guns being taken by a "benevolent" all powerful state.  Please convince me that this is wrong.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2018, 07:44:43 pm »

Morons like swalwell are incapable of understanding the consequences of what he is mindlessly spewing.
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« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2018, 04:42:21 am »

Firstly I must apologise for saying annoying things sometimes, I do tend to "put my oar" into a conversation and say things that people do not want to hear - BUT YOU DID ASK!  You said you would discuss "forgiveness" and I just can't resist it, plus it would be really good to hear what anyone else has to say on this.  Maybe someone will come up with a point that I'd never thought of.

Forgiveness, to me, is essential to life, the continued peaceful existence of our species.  However, it is necessary to be sure that it is always used appropriately.  I might say that the police who killed Mr Willis in the OP should be forgiven, BUT THE FORGIVENESS IN THAT CASE IS NOT MINE TO GIVE!  The victim is the only one who can possibly forgive his killers, and seeing as he is dead and can never do that, the burden falls to his wife or surviving family - whoever is left.  He, she or they can forgive these men (I presume the police were men) for the killing but it is up to everybody in the entire country to forgive them for their complacency in physically supporting "gun control laws", for "following orders" that are obviously immoral and unconstitutional, without question, for doing the bidding of an evil manipulating "deep state".

Hey mouse – you never have to apologize for speaking your mind here. Your candid thoughts are sincerely appreciated.
But I did indeed say I wanted to discuss more about Forgiveness. I am going to try to collect my thoughts for you without drawing this out too outrageously long, which as you know is one of my major faults, lol.
Okay mouse, I will begin by playing off of your comments. You said –

“BUT THE FORGIVENESS IN THAT CASE IS NOT MINE TO GIVE!”

But mouse! That is exactly where your perception of forgiveness diverges from my intended focus on perception. I will maintain and suggest that it actually is yours to forgive. ;)
Let me clarify please. There are different levels of consciousness, as I’m sure all here will agree. Such levels range from deep sleep states all the way up to what Buddhism refers to as “Nirvana”, or as the old Alchemists referred to as the “aurum non vulgi”, which translated means “not the common gold”, which indicated in their occult language’s symbology a “fully enlightened mind”.

So those are two extremes which we know exist in the spectrum of consciousness and the vibratory planes of existence on which consciousness itself is found. Complete darkness exists in the oblivion of vacuous nothingness, or, we can say, non-beingness. We rise up from such deep sleep-states into a quasi-conscious condition which most people presume to be wakefulness. But to rise from deep-sleep state one traverses many different levels of sleep, including traveling back up through the dream-state levels of sleep. On each of the various levels of sleep-state, one’s brain wave vibrations and frequencies are somewhat changed from the level immediately below and also which are immediately above that specific level. Things change as the waking soul (or “awareness”) climbs up the scale, up the different levels through all of the sleep state levels and pops out of unconsciousness into aconscious sensation of beingness. We call that, generally, “waking up”. We do this every day of our lives. It is so commonplace that we seldom ever think about it, and we seldom wonder where we “go” when we “go to sleep”. 

But if we were to look more deeply into such phenomena with objective curiosity, we may find obscure or vague details which our habitual life-styles seldom if ever encounter or notice. For one thing, we may learn that our brains function on wave-lengths which are measurable by today’s modern scientific gadgetry. But to verify part of what I’m saying here, I will introduce a quotation ascribed to Nikola Tesla over a century ago. He said, and I quote,

If you want to understand the universe, think of energy, frequency, and vibration.


And it is with that in mind that I wish to attempt to explain why I would say that it is up to each of us as individuals to Forgive the idiot cops who murdered this man in Maryland over a totally blasphemous statute or code which is treasonous by its very nature and directly denies every tenet of the Constitution.

Why I choose to forgive them is not related necessarily to the level of life on which the victim and his murderers exist. On that level, you are completely correct that it is for the family of the victim to do the forgiving, and even with that level of forgiveness the cops who did this, as well as the idiot political beasts who sent the cops to do it, yet need to face justice for their evil actions. I can certainly agree with you and others here who feel that way, for, on that level, it is justice.

But mouse! I must ask myself – do I wish to dwell in this world on the popular level, with all of its distractions, entertainments, its pressures and stresses, its blatant hatred and fearfulness, its intrinsic aggressions, its illness and suffering and painfulness, and its occasional joy surrounded by funerals, starvation, futility, and despair? Or is it my birthright as a soul enmeshed in flesh to ascend to yet higher levels of awareness, wakefulness, consciousness, vision?

If I am entitled by the tenets of existence to be here at all, and if I am here with an innate ability to choose and a subtle motive to advance my understanding of the incredibly beautiful vibratory planes of etheric existence above and beyond the common levels of the collective hypnotized consciousness, by simply choosing to release the bonds of habit and tradition with which my mind was programmed during early childhood by unwitting parents who themselves were taught by unwitting parents ad infinitum, and thereby open my mind to revelations borne on vibrations not commonly referenced or accessed by mundane commonality of the “unwashed masses” – is it my birthright to elevate myself above all which we observe in what Bernays called “the group mind”? And if so, and if I practice doing just that, might not I expect to see things differently once I’ve elevated my perspective and its relative perception to levels of reality which are not commonly seen? (More on an extension of that will come later, but for now, I must at least add that as Mentalitians involved in the MindWar on behalf of freedom of the individual, we do know that our thoughts, our understandings, our Love, and our empathy are to be extended into the human world's consciousness (the collective consciousness of mankind), where no matter how subtle, or even if perceived at all in time, every thought we hold does indeed have an effect on that collective consciousness.)

Okay. So I may seem to some here to be talking mumbo jumbo, or worse, lol. However, here is an axiom which I did not think up all by myself, but one which I truly see as a part of wisdom.

Forgiveness is our escape from the past.” 

I say that to people all the time, and I forget where I first heard or read it.  But from where I’m sitting, I easily see it as being true. It has to do with where the “past” resides in our minds. That would of course be in our “memory banks”, where we store experience and knowledge. All knowledge is of the past. But when knowledge is being realized for the first time, it is realized in the present. But as soon as it is realized, it is assigned a place in the mind’s memory banks and becomes a part of the past. This process keeps the mind’s awareness factor unemcumbered by the infinitude of all one’s lifetime of experiences, which no mental magician can manage no matter how skilled one is.  Diggit, mouse – all our thoughts are from the past. They are configured by association attended by the human “will”, which searches one’s memory to create thoughts with words, and all of the words one knows are in fact elements of memory. They are learned, and therefore are part of one’s past. Yet the will, or one’s awareness, has the ability to pick and choose the imagery, the knowledge, the meanings one has stored through all of one’s life, to express one simple sentence as one speaks or visits with anyone else. To speak at all, we are relying upon the “learned”, on past knowledge, to configure the wording which we hope will express most accurately our intended message to anyone listening. Let me share with you an old "Elias" line written many years ago --

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While reading in "Basic Writings" by Dr. Carl G. Jung, (The Modern Library, Random House, Inc., NY, NY) I noticed a passage inferring that the conscious sectors of psyche make use of imagianic symbols as components in the compiling of mental data, of "knowledge". I took upon myself the grandiose vanity to merge for a fleeting moment my own and Dr. Jung's ideology.

Dr. Jung had written, "The material with which we think is language and verbal concepts…." (Page 15)
 
I took that plus another term or two by Dr. Jung at face value, and it occurred to me just then to jot down the following line…
 
"If the material with which we think comprises itself of language and verbal concepts, are these then not the usages employed by an 'acting force' which displays the 'discerning ability' to choose the sequentiating words, and by so doing, does not this acting force imply its own invisible existence?"
 

I mention that because it directly ties into my take on Forgiveness on a very high level of existence in which the term may be used. I do not forgive the stupid brainwashed hypnotized robot-like order-following adrenaline-pumped cops on the level on which they are living their pseudo-lives. Nope. I’m forgiving them subjectively, on my own level. It is not for me to govern anyone, nor to forgive on their levels, for I am above governance by any external “authority”. I am living on a higher plane of existence, where the vibrations and frequencies are more directly related to natural creativity, and which reveal the more subtle aspects of the infinite variations of the modalities of the expression of beingness itself.

It gives me an understanding of what the Buddha meant when he spoke of the “Maya” world of "illusion". The whole birth/life/death karmic trap of time sometimes seems to be necessary for any soul to evolve within, in order to achieve a more perfected perception of the miracle of one’s own existence. In my world, that dude did not get shot by any cops, and no cops were even there to do the deed.

But mouse – why would I say something that obviously insane, eh? ;)

I will come back and say more as quickly as I can. (For a dude who does not even exist, I’m busy as heck, yes? ;)  I am talking right now with Ammon Bundy, with Jeanette Finicum, with the organizer of the “New Code Of The West” conference, with the organizer of the Red Pill Expos, with various supply companies relating to my jewelry workshop’s maintenance, and with a lot of bench work here at my shop, with a goodly number of friends such as Cynthia McKinney and Wendy McElroy and Curt Kruse etc, and dealing with a bank account which wonders why it’s overdrawn so often, lol.) But I really like the opportunity that this thread is opening up for some cool metaphysics, and you may even find it entertaining once I get it kicked into gear. ;)
So I will come back as quickly as possible and add more. Feel free to insist that I’m crazy. It’s okay. I remind myself of that often. ;)

Salute!
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Re: Maryland: Cops kill man in his home for resisting gun confiscation
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2018, 03:42:09 pm »

Forgiveness cannot be bestowed upon another individual by any other individual. What can be done however is that one can forgive the other inside oneself.

That is where forgiveness can impact the self in a very positive way.

Effective forgiveness which the offender requires can only be given by that force which has created that offender’s life. That kind of forgiveness can only be perceived through one’s higher mind, the “self of the soul” which vibrates in frequencies above the consciousness fields on which Fear’s Thought System operates.

That part of a psyche’s vibration hosts the frequencies of Love’s Thought System. Because one’s brainwave activity supports those frequencies foundationally, the higher self may interface with what is generally known as one’s soul, which itself vibrates on very fine frequencies.

Those frequencies are talented in many forms of forgiveness, and any conscious mind can receive that healing forgiveness by simply willing oneself to understanding the metaphysical structure of the layers of psyche, the “mind aware”.

But the foregoing has thusfar treated only of the guy with the guilt. (The cop who shot the gun owner.) He is the one who needs to be forgiven, and I agree with mouse that one necessary form of that forgiveness is the choice and option of the victim’s family.  Perhaps we should look at that a bit more closely.

However, what is of paramount importance is what I (or you or anyone) personally shall do about this news of an American citizen being shot (murdered!) by "law enforcement" for no crime at all. I have made some shocking statements on this thread, but the only reason my statements are shocking is that many of us, myself included, know very little about transitioning from one level of frequency in psyche to another.
What I like to think we in The Mental Militia strive to center our focus upon is on the mental level of one’s own individual planes; on the levels of the self.  I hope that I have clarified my premise that one cannot forgive another in any real, or healing, way, (for the guilty one), because the bearer of the guilt can only feel the healing of forgiveness from within himself, and then only if one (the guilty one) can “will” oneself to admit the healing of that guilt from (or by) the higher self (or, in Christianity’s language, from “God”) within those vibratory planes of Love’s Thought System.
 
But if one (such as you or I) resolves to forgive the offender ‘within oneself’, and not for the sake of the offender but instead for one’s own sake, then one is becoming a part of a more positive evolution in the collective human psyche by removing oneself from Fear’s Thought System (thus to that degree disabling Fear in one’s own life).  When one does that, one affirms Love’s Thought System as important to oneself. That is a psychic “action” which indicates an intrinsic power of “sensitive” thought, or sensitive consciousness, to transmute, morph, and transcend various "levels" of mentality, of subjective brain wave activity.

And that is of course why we have a “Mental Militia” – to regiment our thought processes; to maintain observational awareness of the thoughts which occupy one’s mind; to practice discernment between Love’s Thought System and Fear’s Thought System; to raise one’s awareness of one’s own mental states; to practice (as in “drills”) one’s objective sense of self; and to free the mind from selected programming, conditioning, training, Feducation, media-bias, governmental proclamation, mind-control treachery, and indeed, from all “external authority”. It is about freeing oneself, because we here at TMM know that

“Self ownership is the opposite of slavery, and self ownership begins with ownership of one’s mind.”

I will talk about “justice” shortly, but will close this for now by stating that it is not for “him” – the guilty cop – that we must forgive him. We do so for we ourselves as individuals. We do this inside our own minds, because we would be better than, more than, wiser than, and more innocent than, an order-following behavioral mental robot slave of government, in whom the will of the collective empowers the aggressor, who in turn then murders in the name of the state.

Salute!
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