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[Lightning]

Natewill, the question you raise has been discussed at length elsewhere on TCF, by people in the beast's line of sight, if you're interested in their thoughts and experiences.

I'm wrestling with some interesting facets of this issue myself at the moment.   

JDW has a point - the powers that be only consistently adhere to the law when it's favorable to their side.

Edited to add:  Thanks, natewill, by the way, for bumping this thread up to the top.  It's got some good discussion that I'm glad to see again.

Now, you say you earn W-2 income but haven't filed.  Are you okay with just letting them have the money they withheld from your pay?  Did you take steps to minimize the amount of withholding?

[Scarmiglione']

I have a wife and children.  My wife, who is my life partner does not feel the risks of not filing are worth the rewards.

For those keeping score, as much as I love freedom and liberty, I love my family more.  I consciously give up many freedoms and liberties to try and maximize my odds of keeping my family together and out of harms away.  If that means paying extortion bribes, registrations, and all manner of legalistic harassment, so be it.

I fully recognize the irony of a freedom lover probably being more compliant with the law that most people who support the law, due to having a greater knowledge of it than average, and a conscious desire to keep a low legal profile.

Not only do I file taxes, but I pay taxes above and beyond the minimum I can squeak away with.  This is because I refuse to submit my children to the tax rolls, and as such I cannot claim them as exemptions.  And yes, every year I'm reminded of how much the government values my kids.

[DrillSgtK]

Some ways i've found to convice the wife to not pay taxes. Show her how much she could give to her church if we did not pay taxes. Buy second hand nice things from the Penney saver papers, with cash. Explain how your better off if you don't pay. (more free, less worries, better than everyone else who is a slave to the government, etc.) spend more time with her at "tax time" and tell her how you could be doing paperwork instead of rubbing her feet.

I set the example, I have not filed since 1993 (i found liberty in 92). I think we are much happier not worrying about funding the government. (I hope to move my income below the taxable level next year so she will have a clean heart about it.)

Drill Sgt K

[Spinner]

How do you find out what the maximum amount for tax exempt status is?

[Junker]

http://www.google.com/search?as_epq=tax+exempt+status

[mutti]

I think we'll see more of this "revenue enhancement" or "user tax system" creep up as the States figure out this is the best "boiling frog" way to get people :

Tollway board approves 87.5% fare hike

Members of the Illinois Tollway board have approved a plan that will nearly double tolls to pay for a more than $12-billion highway construction plan....

Under the plan, basic I-Pass toll rates would increase to 75 cents from 40 cents. Drivers who pay cash will continue to pay twice what I-Pass users pay.

[mutti]

And Another:
California board looking at new ways to collect unpaid tax

A state tax board is examining more aggressive ways of persuading residents to pay taxes on out-of-state purchases, from sifting through shipping records to requiring tax preparers to ask clients if they bought goods online.

The five-member Board of Equalization, which oversees sales and use tax collection, contemplated such ideas this week while discussing unpaid taxes. Long-standing law requires California residents to pay "use tax" on out-of-state purchases.

Amazon.com has already contributed $5.25 million toward a signature drive to upend the law, Assembly Bill X1 28.

The Seattle-based retailer has not collected taxes so far on California purchases, believing that it remains exempt because it severed ties with "affiliates" who previously referred customers to its website. Under a 1935 law, Californians still owe use tax on out-of-state purchases, though few pay it.

[RagnarDanneskjold]

Yeah, I heard Ohio is trying that same bull shit about "use" taxes. They are going after businesses first. Probably a trial balloon.

[defenestrate]

It is virtually impossible to live "on-grid" and not pay some manner of tax. However, by using the barter system and doing jobs and making transactions of a private/unreported nature it is pretty easy to mostly live tax-free. If you want to be totally tax-free, you really need to drop off the grid in every way possible. That is kind of a long-term goal for me but in the meantime, I am okay with tax withholding of a moderate sort - if you don't file but are paying a nominal amount of taxes, it is not really worth the trouble to go after you unless you are doing the kind of business that draws attention from TPtB.

[da gooch]

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I set the example, I have not filed since 1993 (i found liberty in 92). I think we are much happier not worrying about funding the government. (I hope to move my income below the taxable level next year so she will have a clean heart about it.)

Drill Sgt K

I "retired" from the Merchant Marine in Jan '08 and have kept my income below the "poverty line" since.
It is not always comfortable [not having the readily available funds to pick up that poor lonely rifle looking for a home or whatever] but other than "use taxes" [which I also avoid as much as possible] I am not supporting Leviathan.
Work is "under the table" [when there is any] and or barter exchanges.

[ZooT_aLLures]

I hope to move my income below the taxable level next year so she will have a clean heart about it

I personally don't think government bothers to "go after" folks that they "owe" money to............and in fact a decade or so ago, the 1040's stated that those entitled to a refund were NOT even required to file.........but that was then...........

I'll tell ya' something else...............I thin k the IRS database went bye-bye back in the Bush days............and that's why they "begged" people to apply for the tax rebate........if one remembers back that far.....

[cz7]

bug out of the system ,totally ...off the grid and radar ! if more will do this less trouble for the rest ,who have done the same ! a nice peaceful way to protest the evil done ....

[sharp_shepherd]

I am now like Gooch in that I do my best to keep all my income off the table.

[GK]

what makes you "think" that SS is "inescapable", hmm?  if you do biz as a corporation, you don't pay SS. if you don't FILE with the IRS, nobody will know whether or not you owe SS anything.

[sovereignbastard]

Maybe the best way to deal with it is to not get a certificate of live birth to begin with...? Isn't that the original death trap..?