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[securitysix]

Filing also ensures your compliance and marks your place in the flock. Failure to file means that you are self-willed. Not a team player. Not in compliance. You will be targeted for a full sheep dip and complete shearing.

The problem with sheep is that the sheep dogs tend to get mixed in with them, and a proper sheep dog (think Great Pyrenees) is hard for a wolf to discern from the rest of the flock until it's too late.

[merlin419]

Very true securitysix, kind of like the German "Q" boat raiders. Looked like tramp steamers or neutral frieghters until you got close and sudden out comes the big guns. The flock with all thier fancy toys really stand out and deserve to be sheared. That's what all crooks look for isn't it?

[DrillSgtK]

Here is an idea. help others avoid taxes.

I love to tip with cash. When I was a waiter I was told I had to report my tips...but only half. (I think my boss wanted to help us students out, he did pay us almost minmum wage and we got tips.)  Cash tips are easy to under-report. I asked about that recently and was told that most people pay with credit card/debit card and that the goverment now uses a precentage method for tips. They look at the charged meals, look at the number of total meals served, and then look at the charged tips to figure out how much cash tips you recived.

(100 meals served. 50 payed with card, tipping 15%. the goverment caculates 15% from 100 meals even if cash tips are only 10%)

You can help out by tipping more when paying with cash or better yet, when you pay with card, put 1% tip on it and put the rest out as cash.  I even leave a note for the server saying "this is your money, don't tell your boss, or the goverment. share it with the buss boy if that is the policy."  This will help lower the average tip figures, but still give the nice server what they have earned.

Anyone got other ideas on how to avoid paying taxes?

Drill Sgt K

[Joel]

I rent two bedrooms from a nice old guy here in town, and always pay cash.  He wuvs me.

Doesn't diminish the taxes I pay at all, but it does withhold a bit from the beast.  And I love the smile on his face, first of every month.

[Claire]

Re avoiding taxes in a legal and mole-ish way ... I've always wondered why more people don't choose to live in a no-income-tax state and shop across the border in a no-sales-tax state.

There are several of these combos: Wyoming/Montana and Washington/Oregon come to mind.

[purple kitty]

I hate taxes.

[Shevek]

Regarding cash payments, I have been living a cash-based life for many years and even in today's stifled surveillance environment, I find that cash still does wonders to motivate people to do business with me. Sadly, the primary reason for that motivation is that most people are fed up with customers delaying their payments or not paying at all. To receive cash is "too good to be true" to many people these days.

Re avoiding taxes in a legal and mole-ish way ... I've always wondered why more people don't choose to live in a no-income-tax state and shop across the border in a no-sales-tax state.

There are several of these combos: Wyoming/Montana and Washington/Oregon come to mind.

For that reason (among many reasons) I seriously have thought about relocating, but I haven't got a clue how to sell my property without a %$#@ bank account, which I don't have and don't want. I don't know how to move---and more importantly, hide---that kind of money without a bank account. I'm open to suggestions!

[RagnarDanneskjold]

Re avoiding taxes in a legal and mole-ish way ... I've always wondered why more people don't choose to live in a no-income-tax state and shop across the border in a no-sales-tax state.

There are several of these combos: Wyoming/Montana and Washington/Oregon come to mind.

That's wild. That came up in conversation last Monday morning (the only time I see "other people") at work. People were asking how to pay less in taxes and I mentioned the Wyoming/Montana concept. Now, if I could only remember which has which tax, I'd be more than a dearth of information.

[Bill St. Clair]

That's wild. That came up in conversation last Monday morning (the only time I see "other people") at work. People were asking how to pay less in taxes and I mentioned the Wyoming/Montana concept. Now, if I could only remember which has which tax, I'd be more than a dearth of information.

Wyoming has no income tax and a 3% sales tax (last time I looked).

[Junker]

I don't know how to move---and more importantly, hide---that kind of money without a bank account. I'm open to suggestions!

Traditionally, gold. 10 avoirdupois lbs. = ~$70,000. Possibly have the FRNs transferred to your gold acct rather than a bank acct (thus converting simultaneously to gold) and have the gold delivered. Cost, anonymity, etc. all depend on which gold company you choose. And that is a research project in itself. Off hand, I'd look at Kitco-- non-bank, Canadian.

[Shevek]

Traditionally, gold. 10 avoirdupois lbs. = ~$70,000. Possibly have the FRNs transferred to your gold acct rather than a bank acct (thus converting simultaneously to gold) and have the gold delivered.

Interesting idea.

Are you implying that I could take a personal bank check for, say, $225,000, and deposit that check directly into a gold account? And there would be no paper trail? I did not mention in my previous post, but I have specific reasons for needing no paper trail (I need to let certain sleeping dogs remain sleeping---.)

If so, what is the spot price for such a transaction? IOW, after depositing the check into the gold account and converting to gold, and then re-converting the gold to FRNs, how much of the original $225,000 would remain? (Assuming the FRN-gold exchange price remains constant).

Do these gold dealers pay (convert the gold to FRNs) in cash or do they pay with another confounded check? I don't have a bank account and don't want one.

[Claire]

Wyoming has no income tax and a 3% sales tax (last time I looked).

Very close. Wyoming has no income tax and a 4% state sales tax. Counties can add up to 2% more, so sales tax varies around the state.

Montana has no sales tax, but does have an income tax and IMHO, fairly brutal property taxes for a Rocky Mtn. state.

Ditto, Washington has no income tax but has some of the highest sales taxes in the nation -- usually around 8%, depending on the county. Oregon has no sales tax but does have an income tax.

Oh, anybody considering WA should beware of the business and occupation tax, which WA uses to punish/milk businesses, including self-employed individuals. So effectively there is an income tax, though most residents don't pay it directly.

[Ragnar The Testy]

Re avoiding taxes in a legal and mole-ish way ... I've always wondered why more people don't choose to live in a no-income-tax state and shop across the border in a no-sales-tax state.

There are several of these combos: Wyoming/Montana and Washington/Oregon come to mind.

I've really been thinking about this one lately, Unfortunately, I kinda like my job, (In Oregon, The Fedgoon tax is almost nothing compared to the way Ore-groan fleeces it's flock). I've been meaning to look into this.... (so far, just rumor control) .... If Someone lives in Washington, Works in Ore-groan, is said someone still legally liable for Ore State Tax??? Does anyone know? If not, I'll post when I find out.

And once again.....I am sooooooooo glad I stumbled onto "101 things to do........" And found this site 

[weskipschool]

If Someone lives in Washington, Works in Ore-groan, is said someone still legally liable for Ore State Tax???

Yes.

[Dave Polaschek]

If Someone lives in Washington, Works in Ore-groan, is said someone still legally liable for Ore State Tax???

It depends. Here's how it was explained to me:

State income tax is charged in the state in which you reside.
Unemployment insurance is charged in the state in which you work.
Some states also charge income tax based on where your employer is legally located, but those are far fewer than many  people (and state bureacracies) think.

Here in MN, I had an employee who lived in WI. So when my employee was working in MN, he was paying MN UI, and WI income tax. When he worked for less clueful employers, he was usually charged MN income tax, and at the end of the year he would have to apply to MN for a refund, and then send a big check off to WI.