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[weskipschool]

If Someone lives in Washington, Works in Ore-groan, is said someone still legally liable for Ore State Tax???

It depends....

According to the Oregon Dept of Revenue:

- Oregon taxes nonresidents on Oregon-source income (wages, monies earned in Oregon, income from the sale of Oregon property, etc.).

- If you live outside Oregon (such as in, say, Washington), work for an Oregon employer, and perform work for that employer in Oregon, you are liable for Oregon personal income tax.

- If you live outside Oregon, work for an Oregon employer, and perform some of your work inside Oregon and some of it outside Oregon, you are liable for Oregon PIT only on wages earned for work performed within Oregon.

- An Oregon employer is any person or organization for whom a worker performs a service as an employee within Oregon.

- Oregon employers, whether domiciled within Oregon or not, must withhold tax from all wages earned by nonresident employees for services performed in Oregon [unless the earnings for the year 2004 will be $1,670 or less].

- Nonresident employees earning more than $1,670 in Oregon income [in 2004] are required to file an Oregon nonresident tax return.

- Self-employed individuals (including independent contractors) who live outside Oregon but perform work in Oregon for which they receive payment are liable for applicable Oregon income and/or business taxes.

- You may be able to claim a credit for income tax paid to another state on income also taxed by Oregon.

I believe that in Oregon local governments may also levy income and business taxes.

As is the case with all tax laws, there are copious exceptions to the rules on liability and withholding (e.g., interstate transportation wages, seasonal farm wages, etc.).

By the way, if anyone is reading this who is a WA resident and pays OR income tax, Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-WA) and Rep. Brian Baird (D-WA) feel your pain:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2002186444_oregontax22m.html

NB: The above is to the best of my knowledge and casual research, but I am not an accountant, lawyer, or financial planner, or even that great a proof-reader of my own typing.

[Roy J. Tellason]

- Oregon employers, whether domiciled within Oregon or not, must withhold tax from all wages earned by nonresident employees for services performed in Oregon [unless the earnings for the year 2004 will be $1,670 or less].

Where the heck do they come up with these numbers?

Earlier tonight I had the local news on the tube,  and the politicians in Harrisburg were making some noises about raising the minimum wage.  In that context they were calling $15,000 "the poverty line".  So if you make less than that and they still take some of it away from you,  does that mean that they're forcing you deeper into poverty?

I may just have to look into what that number is around here,  and write a letter or something.

[Alton Speers]

- Oregon employers, whether domiciled within Oregon or not, must withhold tax from all wages earned by nonresident employees for services performed in Oregon [unless the earnings for the year 2004 will be $1,670 or less].

Where the heck do they come up with these numbers?

Earlier tonight I had the local news on the tube,  and the politicians in Harrisburg were making some noises about raising the minimum wage.  In that context they were calling $15,000 "the poverty line".  So if you make less than that and they still take some of it away from you,  does that mean that they're forcing you deeper into poverty?

I may just have to look into what that number is around here,  and write a letter or something.

Ah! Thinking like a politician is the key to understanding this dilemma. It does not matter if the government withholds taxes from you and forces you below their definition of the poverty line. Why? Because when, as a good sheepizen, you file your tax forms with the government, you will be entitled to a refund of the money withheld from you so that at the end of the year you are still over the poverty line. It doesn't matter if your bills need to be paid now. What matters is that the state's bills need to be paid now and you need to be kept in line. You "give" the the government an interest-free loan and at the end of the year they give you back whatever portion of the principle they think is fair, of course, without any interest.

Now that you know how the politicians think you need to be thankful that they have provided you with such a swell state to live in and a great way to stay above the poverty line. Gotta love the wonders of democracy. Not only do you get bent but, you are also expected to be thankful for the opportunity...or at least acquiescent. They have ways to help you be acquiescent. In return, you get to do the same next year and the next and the next and so on.

Alton

[monday]

debeez...

...gives some good examples of the same state tax issues, for the way taxes are brought in to the coffers,  yet never seem to be enough. Those examples are probably typical all across the country. Not a day goes by where the local news story is "because of the increased population, there are increased cars on the road, and therefore taxes must increase to pay for new roads, and more toll roads are in the future." (also common are making toll roads out of already built and paid for roads?) Where does the money go? If population is increasing, isn't the tax revenue increasing automatically as well? And as taxes increase, quality decreases....because government can't run a thing effectively. Nothing new. ........ samo crap with any other of the examples, lottery proceeds, property tax referendums, etc...never makes sense as to why they must have more from the fruits of our labor. Yet there is never a shortage of good citizen idiots being interviewed on TV saying how they don't mind paying extra just so they can have more roads, more schools, and even agreeing that paying more for garbage pk-up when it is cut to one-day-week instead of two is a good thing. Baffling shit to watch the majority's thought processes....they never get it...the light never comes on in their bulb.  

This is very true,but your average american has not been trained to think.In fact they dont want to think and that will drag the rest of us down.When more people get past the goverment brainwashing will change for the good happen.

[Delos]

To whom it may concern (and the original poster): Does the state own you, or do you own yourself?


I have paid no federal or state income tax since 1980.

[Roy J. Tellason]

I have paid no federal or state income tax since 1980.

How to manage that with all those employers and other folks eager to help the state and the feds in their theft isn't as clear to me as it might be.  Care to elaborate on some ways that might be accomplished?

[Delos]

I have paid no federal or state income tax since 1980.

How to manage that with all those employers and other folks eager to help the state and the feds in their theft isn't as clear to me as it might be.  Care to elaborate on some ways that might be accomplished?

If you are not working for cash, then it would behoove you to take a closer look at a withholding certificate (W4?). Only you can change the amount of withholding extracted by your employer. After you eliminate the theft of your wages, then it simply a matter of refraining to send the criminals a check for a mendacious tax bill.

I would have thought this was obvious to someone as apparently well read as yourself!

[Roy J. Tellason]

I have paid no federal or state income tax since 1980.

How to manage that with all those employers and other folks eager to help the state and the feds in their theft isn't as clear to me as it might be.� Care to elaborate on some ways that might be accomplished?

If you are not working for cash, then it would behoove you to take a closer look at a withholding certificate (W4?). Only you can change the amount of withholding extracted by your employer. After you eliminate the theft of your wages, then it simply a matter of refraining to send the criminals a check for a mendacious tax bill.

I would have thought this was obvious to someone as apparently well read as yourself!

That takes care of the feds,  but not the FICA,  state,  UI, county,  or local taxes,  unfortunately.

[Delos]

I have paid no federal or state income tax since 1980.

How to manage that with all those employers and other folks eager to help the state and the feds in their theft isn't as clear to me as it might be.� Care to elaborate on some ways that might be accomplished?

If you are not working for cash, then it would behoove you to take a closer look at a withholding certificate (W4?). Only you can change the amount of withholding extracted by your employer. After you eliminate the theft of your wages, then it simply a matter of refraining to send the criminals a check for a mendacious tax bill.

I would have thought this was obvious to someone as apparently well read as yourself!

That takes care of the feds,  but not the FICA,  state,  UI, county,  or local taxes,  unfortunately.

I said state or federal. In this state at least, the federal withholding certificate dictates the action of the state. Unfortunately, socialist insecurity and medicaide are still deducted from my paycheck.

Here, thankfully, there are currently no county or local taxes deducted from paychecks.

[thistle]

If you are not working for cash, then it would behoove you to take a closer look at a withholding certificate (W4?). Only you can change the amount of withholding extracted by your employer. After you eliminate the theft of your wages, then it simply a matter of refraining to send the criminals a check for a mendacious tax bill.

Marking one's self exempt on the W-4 might entail perjury. Not sending the check would result in many other charges. Delos, how do you shield yourself from forfeitures and arrest?

I could conceivably shield some of my assets from forfeiture but certainly not all. I could even keep the location of my home from their knowledge, but they would still know where I work.

[dogsledder54]

I hate being robbed. I can't eliminate it, but I minimize it.

[Ragnar The Testy]

Thanks weskipschool,

And bummer for me....where to go, where to go.....

[natewill]

This is more of an agitator response, but why are you all filing taxes?  I earn w-2 income, but haven't filed in a couple of years.  Anyone heard of Joe Bannister or Bill Conklin, or half a dozen others that don't pop into my head at the moment.  Most of these people question our liability for the income tax.  I have read 26 CFR several times, and every tax listed specifically points out who is liable for each tax in addition to what is being taxed, except one.  The income tax does not say who is liable.

I don't care if you believe me or not.  Do some research.  I'm just surprised that nobody else has mentioned it.  Flame Away!

[Joel]

I have read 26 CFR several times, and every tax listed specifically points out who is liable for each tax in addition to what is being taxed, except one.  The income tax does not say who is liable.

Natewill, that may be as true as can be, but it's completely irrelevant to the situation on the ground.  ATF has its own freekin' courts; by remaining as vague as it is the code can be interpreted in any way desired by those who control the court.  It simply doesn't matter what 26 CFR says or doesn't say; what matters is what the guys with the goons say.  And they'll say "pay up," every time they're asked.

why are you all filing taxes?

  That's a rational question for a person like me to ask myself; I have but one dependent and no property.  Thus little to lose but my self-esteem, and I've grown fond of my self-esteem.  But I've no right to ask it of others.  When I was a family man with people who depended on me, I gritted my teeth and filed them papers.  Didn't mean I didn't love freedom, just that I had a lot to lose.  Lots and lots of people are in that position; be careful about throwing stones.

[natewill]

I'm not throwing stones, I'm asking questions.