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Claire

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« on: May 12, 2005, 10:53:34 pm »

All right, guys. The Agitator forum is usually not my hangout. But it's time to strategize ...

We need to create an ID Resistance movement/network. It needs to be a resource center for actions people can take against Real ID and similar stuff. And it needs to break way out of the libertarian movement.

It needs to offer strategies (and an idea exchange) to people who think in terms of new-left style civil disobedience, quiet Mole-ish non-cooperation, and flat "Hell no, I won't" resistance. Big tent. Something for everybody, to encourage everybody to know they can fight this.

If Real ID isn't repealed, we need to have such a network in action before we're fatally ID'd and so it's already in action to help people make their decisions.

Many questions: What's the best way to do this and what are some resistance strategies that might appeal to people who wouldn't be caught on the same planet as suijurisfreeman or Delos?

Couple of thoughts: A "comply-in" where instead of bringing in the required four ID documents, they bring huge folders full of their grade school report cards, etc. and dawdle at the DMV counter going through it all. And for the more radical types, a kind of services directory of businesses that will help people who can't show ID.

Your thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2005, 12:40:50 am »

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...that might appeal to people who wouldn't be caught on the same planet as suijurisfreeman or Delos?

What? You mean Suijuris and Delos are on THIS planet?  :blink:


My initial thoughts...
Do everything to call attention to it and how UN-AMERICAN it is (since everyone seems so patriotic now days). We know we won't get into the media, so we would have to get out and beat the streets. Flyers on cars, signs in lawns, T-shirts, bumperstickers. This stuff would have to be eye catching...Bar Codes, Uncle Sam tattooing numbers on citizens, "Don't worry, it only stings for the first few decades.", "Got ID?", Govt workers gossiping about citizen's private info, etc.

Stage protests outside DMVs to try to keep people from getting the IDs. Get lots of people to go in and take those stupid numbers they give you in the waiting room, really clog up the works..."opps, I forgot my papers" or other nuisances.

We definitely need to be networking, so that we won't be cut off from essentials. A directory of services is a good idea. There may have to be some kind of referral system for that to keep it safe guarded.

I'll have to chew on it more...

 

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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2005, 12:48:54 am »

Agitation is even less my field than yours, Claire.  But I agree that this is important.

Websites all over the place, fer shur.  In fact it would be interesting to open a site just for encouraging ideas, and advertise it on all the lefty forums.  They do incrementalism better than we do, and might come up with some delicious ideas for monkeywrenching.

Tim Osman had some interesting ideas a few months ago about guerilla advertising; this is a page we could swipe from the leftists.  Big signs on freeway overpasses, that sort of thing.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2005, 01:40:52 am »

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Do everything to call attention to it and how UN-AMERICAN it is (since everyone seems so patriotic now days). We know we won't get into the media, so we would have to get out and beat the streets. Flyers on cars, signs in lawns, T-shirts, bumperstickers. This stuff would have to be eye catching...Bar Codes, Uncle Sam tattooing numbers on citizens, "Don't worry, it only stings for the first few decades.", "Got ID?", Govt workers gossiping about citizen's private info, etc.
 
How about a rubber stamp (which can be used in all SORTS of places :-) with "Your papers please!" and maybe a swatstika or similar on it?

Something along those lines,  anyhow...

That'd get some agitation going,  for sure.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2005, 02:23:47 am »

I like the same slogan everywhere thing, but watch the swatstikas...people see them, assume it's a neo-nazi group and throw it away without reading it. There is a white supremacist group here in Vegas putting up billboards and sticking flyers on cars. I could see people confusing the two.

I'm probably an agitator at heart...at least that's what all my friends and family would say. I just have an aversion to being shot at or involuntarily disappearing. :ph34r: How about extra large "Claire Wolfe Time" T-Shirts to wear over body armor? (I still think the wrist watch is a snazzy idea.)

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2005, 08:58:22 am »

I know it goes against the spirit of 101 + 78 Things, but for those who are so inclined, and in states where it might actually work, contacting state reps, governors, etc and letting them know this ain't acceptable is worth thinking about IMO.

Noncompliance at the level of both individuals and the several states is the only thing that has a whisper of a chance of stopping this, m'thinks.

And Claire, I agree on the idea of referrals as far as any kind of services directory. Moles won't last long unless their identities are strongly protected.
 
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« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2005, 09:46:40 am »

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« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2005, 10:26:08 am »

I like the bilboard idea and have a suggestion. I think the swastika would be negative for the movement but a forearm with the death camp ID number tatooed on might bring a better response. I am going to start more searches on the net for info on this subject. I do think this brainstorming part will be very important for all of us. This might need to become a forum page of it's own. Easier for stopper bys to find and particapaite.  
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« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2005, 10:29:04 am »

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Big signs on freeway overpasses, that sort of thing.
There's also a billboard on I-5 between Centralia and Chehalis that's got political commentary on it (both sides, so it grabs north and southbound traffic).  The guy who owns it died several months back, but I drove past there a couple of weeks ago, and it's still got its usual messages on it, so someone must have take up the cause.  Wonder if it might be worth trying to find out who owns it, and asking them if they might put something up.
I believe the famous billboard is owned by Hamilton Farms and currently maintained by the guy's son. (http://isaac.blogs.com/isaac_laquedem/2004/11/alfred_uncle_sa.html) Very John Birchy stuff, though. They might like national ID. Keep out the Messicans, you know ...

Still, that board does get a lot of views. Couldn't hurt to ask.

Some good ideas here.
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« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2005, 11:27:32 am »

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« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2005, 11:39:06 am »

I read this book a few years back. Papers Please!: Identity Documents, Permits and Authorizations of the Third Reich There were a tons of photos in it. Maybe the authors could be persuaded to license some their images. A picture speaks a thousand words.

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« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2005, 12:08:14 pm »

Radio or TV commercials featuring ordinary folks stopped at the airport, stopped at the bank, stopped at the dmv, stopped at the grocery store, stopped on the street because they got through an internal checkpoint somewhere, stopped any place the NID would come in handy.  Make it simple but show the frustration, and get to the point.  We'd have to make it clear to people that yes, it is really happening, it's law, it's happening fast and everywhere.  I've talked to many people over the last few days and it's stunning how many people know about it because of the ties to the funding of the war/troops, but just accept it and proceed with being sheep.  I'd stay away from anything that is nazi/hitler for the time being too, as the people are trained to reject that stuff immediately.  It's one thing to watch a History Channel documentary on Hitler because that's a safe place to show what a devil he was.  It's another matter to throw it in a brainwashed publics face.  Show the facts but keep it simple and play to real emotions that the ordinary sheep would feel daily.  


Love the idea of billboards and peppering the streets with pictures and flyers, I bet with an army consisting of the people just on this board, we could get a message out if we worked hard enough.  

So many threads about this, guess I'll find one and stay with it.


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« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2005, 12:31:22 pm »

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Purely as a matter of strategy, I'd avoid most Nazi/concentration camp/Hitler/etc... references because that's a good way to piss people off (at you, not at the government, that is) and/or get classified as a nutjob. ...
I'd like to second this motion. Nazis are bad people who say "Achtung!" and "Schnell!" and kill Jews. The US gov't doesn't do any of the above, therefore they can't be Nazis, therefore if you say they are, you are a nutcase.

I'm not too excited about billboards and flyers, but then I am so sick of advertising that I tend to blot all of it out of my field of vision. To get my attention, an ad would have to be witty, concise, and not polemical.

How about just a photo of a face with a barcode tattooed across the forehead, and the words "Real ID" next to it, and nothing else? Well, maybe that's too polemical.

It would be nice to have something that's the inverse of the SEP Field. I suppose that's the purpose of publicity/advertising, much as I loathe it.

I like word-of-mouth, myself. What I need is a good way to politely reply to people who think this is no big deal, just an incremental improvement in government efficiency.
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« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2005, 01:28:48 pm »

A little something I threw together in MSPaint with a few minutes of spare time:  http://www.geocities.com/securitysix/realid.htm

You'll notice some of the words seem to appear out of nowhere or disappear into nothingness.  I did that on purpose and that helps show the edge of the actual .jpg file.

It's weak and lame, but anyone is welcome to borrow, use, steal, tweak, and otherwise mangle it as you wish.
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« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2005, 02:04:58 pm »

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How about just a photo of a face with a barcode tattooed across the forehead, and the words "Real ID" next to it, and nothing else? Well, maybe that's too polemical.
Is this what you had in mind?  
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