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Bill St. Clair

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« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2005, 02:24:26 pm »

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How about just a photo of a face with a barcode tattooed across the forehead, and the words "Real ID" next to it, and nothing else? Well, maybe that's too polemical.
Is this what you had in mind?
Well, Zero Knowledge Systems appears to have morphed into Radialpoint, and changed their flavor to such a point that maybe nobody will care if you use their old marketing images. I sure like that one.
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2005, 04:03:25 pm »

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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2005, 06:03:31 pm »

For starters I would settle for (1) information on how to deactivate magnetic strips and embedded chips in ID cards, and (2) an effective way to alter or mask fingerprints before putting my thumb on the card (or reader).

Fooling retinal scans will of course be a problem.
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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2005, 07:08:27 pm »

information on how to deactivate magnetic strips:

This will surely be legislated as a crime as with the new passports and one might risk losing his or her NID, bummer.  As soon as a JBT swipes it and determines it was done to deceive the beloved gov., they will arrest.  All I can say about it here is- make it look like it wasn't done intentionally.  

Fingerprints- unless there is some magical way to do it without scarring the finger for life I know of no effective way to do it consistantly.  Superglue and Nuskin may work for entering into a supermarket or bank database for payment or check cashing, but most any LE will inspect the fingers before printing.  DMV's can be tricked as of today but how will it be explained when you have to renew the NID?  If  scarring or burning the prints, make sure it goes 2 layers or more deep and make sure this is the print that is kept for life as scars create a new, unique print.  Unless you can create a viable print method that will last until you find a way to escape this tyranny, it's almost pointless to try and I don't think most people can afford to "go Hollywood" and hire an expert.  Of course this is just my humble opinion.

Just some thoughts about it all, no harm or deception intended!

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« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2005, 09:32:21 pm »

Just FYI, Here's comments from Bruce Schneier, and links to some of his other writings. He maintains that it's a bad idea, and a security fallacy. Verbal ammunition, from a guy who really knows his stuff.
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« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2005, 11:48:33 pm »


Well, I guess if there are really people who would prefer not to be caught on the same planet as me and suijuris, they have failed!

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« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2005, 08:37:14 am »

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Well, I guess if there are really people who would prefer not to be caught on the same planet as me and suijuris, they have failed!

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Oh, I'm on the same planet alright, just in a parallel universe.  :blink:  B)  
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« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2005, 08:54:40 am »

Just in case I'm not the last one here to notice it  :D Sunni has set up Real ID Rebellion.
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« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2005, 06:14:22 pm »

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Just in case I'm not the last one here to notice it  :D Sunni has set up Real ID Rebellion.
She did a hell of a job there,  too.  Stuff I'd seen before and stuff I hadn't.
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« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2005, 08:57:36 pm »

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« Reply #25 on: May 15, 2005, 04:57:05 pm »

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« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2005, 12:09:09 am »

I have also searched for info on deactivating imbedded chips and magnetic strips and have come up short.  Either what I find is way to complicated (techwise) for me to understand or it is uselessley vague.  I would love to find some practical info.

BTW, way back I bought an eel skin wallet in Hawaii and it came with an insert card that said not to store credit cards in the wallet because the magnetic strip could be messed up.  Sure enough about 6 months later my atm card stopped working.  A trip into the bank branch revealed that the magnetic strip, while not erased, was damaged to a point that the machines couldn't read enough complete data to use it.

I think deactivating the info is a great monkeywrench.  Just play dumb.  "Officer. I don't even own a cell phone.  I don't know what you mean by magnetic strip distortion.  Please tell me where I can take my card to get re-issued and I'll go first chance I get."
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« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2005, 10:04:37 am »

I've seen people sand them down and scuff them a bit- normal wear and tear style-, then go to someone who works at Borders or a supermarket and have them put it on the mangnetic plate and while they step on the pedal for a while and it seemed to work on dl's.  I'm not sure how strong the newer versions will be though.  They would make it look like they innocently left the dl on the plate with other things and the employee would turn the magnet up full power.

It would seem a very powerful magnet of any sort can cause damage.  In fact employees would be trained to watch for people's credit cards and dl's on the plate to avoid erasing them.

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« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2005, 11:27:52 am »

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All right, guys. The Agitator forum is usually not my hangout. But it's time to strategize ...

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Many questions: What's the best way to do this and what are some resistance strategies that might appeal to people who wouldn't be caught on the same planet as suijurisfreeman or Delos?

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Your thoughts?
Hey I use to live there. My parents refused to get any paperwork on me when they brought me to this planet.

In the indescretion of my youth I went and registered myself and regreted it for the last 25 earth years.

Anyone know where I can get some tickets back home?

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Here is an idea. How bout those of us who do not use aircraft or trains just don't get one.

I also read somewhere that Montana has already rejected it. I didn't really plan on moving but
it's looking like a better option all the time.  

 
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« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2005, 03:13:58 pm »

There's one set of people who this will not effect and I wonder how the gumint is going to handle them. Who am I talking about? Why the Amish ofcourse. They are not allowed to operate cars. Will they have to get ID cards for their horses? :lol:

BTW I believe they also don't have SS numbers or regular bank accounts like us.

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