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Kirsten

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« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2005, 05:00:32 pm »

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« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2005, 05:42:50 pm »

This act has one achillies heel ....

It depends on states rolling over and complying.

Many states still have initiative petition laws....


Maybe something as simple as forbidding biometric info and RFIDs in licenses ... and requiring that state to accept other state licenses anyway, regardless of if that state complies with the feds.


The feds have unwittingly created two classes of DLs and states. Dred Scott is upon us again.

Slave states that comply, and free states that do not.


Try to make sure your current state remains a free state.
 
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« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2005, 06:00:59 pm »

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-get a job (certain identification needed for the company to satisfy immigration law requirements)

Find someone who buys and fixes up houses for sale or rent.  They can usually use a hand with roofing, drywalling, electrical, cleanup, and all sorts of other stuff.  A lot of them pay cash and don't require ID.

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-open a financial account (it has been so long since I did this- is identification required for this, or would it be under the new rules?

OK, you got me on this one.  I have no idea how to monkey wrench this one.  The only way around it I know of is to not deal with checks.  Cash, barter, and precious metals only.  I've known people who distrust banks so much that they wouldn't have a checking account and would carry the entirety of their paychecks with them.  If you're going to do this, though, getting mugged has higher risks of losing your dough.

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-get a passport

If you never leave the country, this shouldn't actually be an issue.  There might be a workaround for this, at least for some people, though:

"To obtain a passport for the first time, you need to go in person to one of 6,000 passport acceptance facilities located throughout the United States with two photographs of yourself, proof of U.S. citizenship, and a valid form of photo identification such as a driver’s license."

Note that it says "such as".  Student IDs, FOID cards, CCW permits, might work.  Also:

If none of these are available , you will need:

   1. Some signature documents, not acceptable alone as ID

    (ex: a combination of documents, such as your Social Security card, credit card, bank card, library card, etc.)

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   2. A person who can vouch for you. He/she must

        * Have known you for at least 2 years,
        * Be a U.S. citizen or permanent resident,
        * Have valid ID, and
        * Fill out a Form DS-71 in the presence of a passport agent.



Workaround.  Neat!  By the way, link.

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-get cold medicine (pseudoephedrine being on the verge of going behind the counter with ID and registration required to get it)

Um...don't buy cold medicine?  :)  OK, some people just won't be able to stand being without something for their cold.  Tylenol and lots of Vitamin C will help.  I usually use Nyquil if it's so bad that I have to take something (Dayquil if I don't have anything to do, it makes me sleepy).  Also, natural remedies do work for some people, so you might look into those.

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-get a cashier's check (for example, if I wanted to buy a house)

Dunno if they'll take a money order for buying a house, but I've never been asked for ID to get one.  Of course, most money orders can't be had for more than $1000, so carrying 20 money orders in to make the down payment for your house might look kind of silly.  See if they'll take a student ID instead of a driver's license.  Maybe a library card or even a social insecurity card in combination with a credit card or something like that.  There are some people out there who don't have driver's licenses, but I have a feeling they still manage to get cashier's checks.  Ask one of them how they manage to get around that.

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-get a mortgage (was ID really required when I did that, or did I just give that up too easily) or rent a place

Again, alternate forms of ID will usually be accepted if you don't have a driver's license.  Remember, some people can't or don't drive.  There's bound to be alternate forms of ID accepted somewhere along the line.  Birth certificate + social insecurity card + a witness or something.  If you can get a passport using the above exceptions, you could probably use it, but passports are likely to be chipped in the near future, too.

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-make certain firearms purchases

Don't buy from licensed dealers and buy ammo at the gun shows or a shop where you're already a regular.  You may not get the handiest, dandiest guns out there, and you will wind up buying guns that have had a previous owner or two, but that's not always a bad thing.

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-get a pilot's license

Ultralights.  As I understand, no license is needed for planes that fall under the ultralight category.

 
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« Reply #33 on: May 16, 2005, 06:07:16 pm »

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« Reply #34 on: May 16, 2005, 06:43:48 pm »

I was thinking of this the other night...they haven't moved *yet* to toughen up the requirements for a pilot's license. True, the new Sport Pilot provision lets you use a valid DL in lieu of a medical certificate, but you could do the medical instead.

   More interesting, to me, is that flying is actually much less regulated in many areas. I was discussing that very thing with an old outlaw in my office today. His take is that locally at least, nobody is ever going to ask if you have license--or insurance, or an up-to-date annual or logbook or nuthin'. Additionally, there are lots of hayfields around here to fly out of if the local strip comes under scrutiny. I have enough room at my hideout to cat out a nice little strip with nobody the wiser.

  There are an amazing number of aircraft that can be homebuilt without any government involvement at all. It can be done from plans or in kit form. Plans are cheaper, but require more skills. On the bright side, with plans nobody tracks what you're doing--especially if you buy up a set from someone who has given up on their pipe-dream. Many of these can be flown on converted automobile engines (VW, Subaru, Corvair) or motorcycle engines (Kaw, HD). The most common engine for light homebuilts is the Rotax, which is basically the Bombardier snowmobile engine. Lots of them available on the used market, too.

  As far as ultra-lights go, there are a lot of "fat" UL's out there. UL trainers are two seat. Yeah, they aren't legal. And?

  All in all, I think flying is a very doable option.
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« Reply #35 on: May 16, 2005, 08:26:26 pm »

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« Reply #36 on: May 17, 2005, 04:15:27 am »

There were many potential threads in which to place this post. Here will do.

I just finished reading 'Government' Is PEOPLE! by Mark Reynolds at STR. What an ass kickin' romp of a read.
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Who do they think they are to try to issue me numbers to be able to go about my personal business? Who do they think they are to want to issue me an INTERNAL PASSPORT so that I can travel about doing my own daily personal chores? I want to know WHY any of us put up with this crap. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe what we all need to do is when it is time to renew our driver's licenses, which have been turned into de facto federal internal passports, we should just drive with EXPIRED licenses. And if a few million of us do it, or even a few hundred thousand, what are they going to do? LOCK US ALL UP? STEAL ALL OF OUR CARS? I told my wife I am going to fill the back yard up with $300 cars so that they can steal them all they want.   

I say tell them all to go to hell. Any time a total stranger wants to know ANYTHING about you, ask them why you should give them the time of day. Make them arrest us all. Refuse to let them have fingerprints. Make them drag you everywhere. Frankly, tell them to drop dead. We don't owe them ANYTHING. I wasn't put on this earth to be some tyrant's doormat.   

To quote the words of Billy the Kid in the movie “Young Guns,” . . . "You can go to HELL HELL HELL."
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« Reply #37 on: May 17, 2005, 08:29:06 am »

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« Reply #38 on: May 17, 2005, 10:52:15 am »

Found this nifty little web-based barcode generator. Free Online Barcode Generator Generated a barcode for "Real ID" and took a few minutes to manipulate it with Photoshop. Voila, New Avatar!

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« Reply #39 on: May 17, 2005, 11:52:24 am »

I wasn't satisfied with any of the anti-Real-ID info sites I've seen so far, so I made my own:

"The Real ID Act: Real Problems"

I have intentionally written it in very calm, non-inflammatory language. My target audience is people who consider themselves rational, middle-of-the-road sorts, who hardly ever get excited about anything political. Rabble-rousing calls-to-arms will not work on folks like this.

I'd appreciate any suggestions for improvement.  Thanks.
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2005, 12:18:07 pm »

Very well done, Mr. Bill. The message as you state it could wake up many people who might not respond to some of our (and some of my  :rolleyes: ) flaming "I resist!" rhetoric. I have no suggestions. Any site fighting national ID would do well to link to yours.
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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2005, 01:01:33 pm »

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RFID crack raises spector of weak encryption

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In January, the researchers published the results of a technical analysis of a kind of secure radio frequency identification (RFID) technology called Digital Signature Transponder (DST) from Texas Instruments Inc., which is widely used to secure newer-generation automobiles and electronic payment systems like Exxon Mobil Corp.'s Speedpass. The work revealed serious weaknesses in the cryptographic security used to protect data sent back and forth, and shines a light on the problem of security systems that rely on aging or inadequate cryptography, according to experts.

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Rubin and a team of three graduate students, along with cryptography experts from RSA, used reverse-engineering techniques and custom-designed tools to crack the cryptographic keys used to secure the systems and simulate both the RFID DST tags and readers. The hack allowed researchers to disable a vehicle immobilizer in a 2005 Ford automobile using a specially equipped laptop computer, and purchase gas at a number of Exxon Mobil locations with a homemade Speedpass device, according to a copy of their findings posted online.
This got me thinking about the possibility that, rather than trying to trick the readers or disable the card, perhaps it would be possible to hack into the RFID chip and use a random identity generator to reprogram it every so often?  Since it doesn't sound like once the ID is issued, people question the validity of the information on it (at least, not right away).  Cops, stores, banks, etc. will likely assume the information was checked for validity - I mean, you did have to do everything but piss in a cup to get the damn thing in the first place.
If this were doable, another option might be to hack into the RFID and replace their encryption with your own but never touch the data.  They couldn't, technically, arrest you for falsifying the data if you never change it.  All you would have done would be to make the data unreadable to anyone who doesn't know the password to your algorithm.
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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2005, 04:17:46 pm »

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There were many potential threads in which to place this post. Here will do.

I just finished reading 'Government' Is PEOPLE! by Mark Reynolds at STR. What an ass kickin' romp of a read.
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Who do they think they are to try to issue me numbers to be able to go about my personal business? Who do they think they are to want to issue me an INTERNAL PASSPORT so that I can travel about doing my own daily personal chores? I want to know WHY any of us put up with this crap. Maybe we shouldn't. Maybe what we all need to do is when it is time to renew our driver's licenses, which have been turned into de facto federal internal passports, we should just drive with EXPIRED licenses. And if a few million of us do it, or even a few hundred thousand, what are they going to do? LOCK US ALL UP? STEAL ALL OF OUR CARS? I told my wife I am going to fill the back yard up with $300 cars so that they can steal them all they want.   

I say tell them all to go to hell. Any time a total stranger wants to know ANYTHING about you, ask them why you should give them the time of day. Make them arrest us all. Refuse to let them have fingerprints. Make them drag you everywhere. Frankly, tell them to drop dead. We don't owe them ANYTHING. I wasn't put on this earth to be some tyrant's doormat.   

To quote the words of Billy the Kid in the movie “Young Guns,” . . . "You can go to HELL HELL HELL."
Dang,  I've gotta start getting over there more often...

(Like I've got the TIME! :-)

From poking around his other writings,  I found this:

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Today, we're all going to learn a new term
It's only two words, now listen closely
Can all of you say . . .
Constructive Fraud?

Did you ever get the feelin'
as your stairin' at the ceilin'
That this game of life we play ain't fair?
Seems as fast as we can make it
there's a hand that grabs and takes it
Till they plant us in a grave somewhere
Like a rodent on a treadmill,
we keep pushin' for it up hill
But we never seem to get to far
Well if you think you're bein' taken
Then you’re ready to awaken
to the truth of what we really are

We're all indentured,
servitudal slaves over burdened
and bewildered feudal knaves
Who have lost our soul posterity
through ignorance and apathy
And now we're bein' taxed out of our graves
And as long as we stay passive we'll succumb
Contented with some socialistic crumb
Well, the naked truth and fact is,
we're all saps who pay our taxes
And that is why the Banksters keep us dumb

Could the state of our condition
be the product of omission
What we didn't learn in public schools?
And did our Fathers all through history
all fight and die for liberty
So we could play the tyrants’ fools?
And can you call it education
when it's all indoctrination
To obey the hidden powers that be
Did we fight the revolution,
did we win the world wars
Just to slumber into slavery?

We're all indentured servitutal slaves
Over burdened and bewildered feudal knaves
Who have lost our soul posterity,
through ignorance and apathy
And now we're bein' taxed out of our graves
And as long as we stay passive we'll succumb
Contented with some humanistic crumb
Well the naked truth and fact is
we're all saps who pay those taxes
And that is why the Banksters keep us dumb

While Franklin and Eleanor
were tellin' us they hated war
They made a deal behind our backs
They said the bankers could enslave us
for a portion of our wages
And today we call it income tax
But what they failed then to tell us
was the way they planned to sell us
Into statutory slavery
Now it's called constructive fraud
some even claim the wrath of God
I call it social insecurity

Let's stop bein' indentured servitudal slaves
Over burdened and bewildered feudal knaves
and reclaim our lost posterity
Rise up and proclaim liberty
it's high time we rocked the boat
and make some waves
'Cause as long as we stay passive we'll succumb
they'll starve us on their communistic crumb
And the naked truth and fact is
we don't have to pay those taxes
Yes it's time we showed those the Banksters
those international gangsters
So let's turn the tables and spoil all their fun

That's all!

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« Reply #43 on: May 17, 2005, 07:19:37 pm »

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I have been giving serious thought to just not getting one. However, it's not just about flying and trains. I'm thinking about how I could do the following (or if I would simply have to do without):

-get a job (certain identification needed for the company to satisfy immigration law requirements)

-open a financial account (it has been so long since I did this- is identification required for this, or would it be under the new rules?)

-get a passport

-get cold medicine (pseudoephedrine being on the verge of going behind the counter with ID and registration required to get it)

-get a cashier's check (for example, if I wanted to buy a house)

-get a mortgage (was ID really required when I did that, or did I just give that up too easily) or rent a place

-make certain firearms purchases

-get a pilot's license

What else belongs on this list?
What legal workarounds are there for each of these items?


To tack on one more to that list...what about driving?

Maintaining a low profile is a great practice...but it's nearly certain that one day you'll be asked to produce your license for some reason or other (be it taillight, speeding, or checkpoint). And for some of us who refuse to get this new driver's license...jail is a nasty thing.

And I don't mean for myself. The bastards can put me in a cell for a  while and that'll be fine by me. But not everyone can do that. Some women might find that a very high price to pay. So might some men :o .  My fiance has said that she won't get a National ID if I won't. But I hate to think of some jabbut pulling her over and cuffin her up.

Other than keeping that low profile on the road, the only other thing I can think of is maybe a AAA bail bond or something. Anyone else have a suggestion for driving without a license?

 
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