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[Kirsten]

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[T.H.E. Cat]

Regarding Cat's opinion column comments, here's a resource from the ACLU regarding how to write an op-ed piece.

Thanks Kristen. That's the kind of info I need. I'm not much of a writer and have a hard time putting pen to paper so to speak.

In regards to your going to jail statement I have visions of spending a night with Buba behind bars and it isn't pleasent. I'm sure I don't have to paint a vivid picture of what I'm talking about to any one here.  

Cat

[Misfit]

By all means do what you feel motivated to do. I guess I just don't have much faith in letter writing campaigns anymore. I don't expect to convince the vast majority of the public with my POV. Besides, if they're not listening to Vin in the local paper here, then I'm not going to get their attention either. I mostly see any kind of writing, demonstrations, flyers, bumper stickers, or whatever else we do as "don't say we didn't warn you". The Feds, obviously, are way too full of themselves to care what some "wacky radicals" are doing. "Besides don't you know all those people are racists?" They can make any BS up they want and the media will sell it to the public. Next thing you know, they're pulling kiddie porn out of your computer that was never there before. "Yeah, you're an upright citizen, you pervert." At some point the diplomacy ends and then you got to decide whether you're going to fight (not on paper or in the courtroom) or submit.  

[Kirsten]

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[sin419]

along the lines of promoting awareness I thought a temporary tattoo of a bar code might get some interest going.  Mabey w/a catchy slogan underneath.  Seems funny but it might give folks a glimpse of what slavery could look like.  We could pass them out on college campuses or any gathering of large numbers of people.

sin
 

[beech_trees]

http://www.barcodeart.com/buy/tattoo.html

[sin419]

dammit somebody beat me to it

good

[Kirsten]

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[Misfit]

(For example, when fundamentalist Christians get worked up over something, well you can just bet that there's going to be some serious action on that.)

Honestly, I'm a little surprised they haven't been jumping up and down about this. The only thing I can guess is it's because beloved Brother Bush, who they think is a fellow fundamentalist, is telling them it isn't the Mark of the Beast they all fear from those Tim LaHaye books.

Everytime some fundamentalist tells me what a wonderful, godly man Bush is, I tell 'em I think he's the Antichrist.

In fact, perhaps we could make a database of our own with all of these people's personal information, and then have icons all link back to it. They might be captioned something like, "Larry, You're in Our Database".

Yep, turn around would only be fair for those politicians...and fun.    

[thistle]

I've had another thought. Does anyone have any ideas on how we can get all of the personal information for various major players in the Real ID push (e.g. Sensenbrenner, Larry Ellision, etc.) such as address, SSN, etc.? What if we made ID card graphics with their personal information and used them as icons on various websites?

Nice one Kirsten. I remember wired.com had an article about people taking satellite photos of Gen. Poindexter's house because of that Total Information Awareness program he pushed.

If it weren't so distastful, I'd like to see what Sensenbrenner thought of photos of his kid's daycare appearing on the internet.

edit:
According to the information on the page. This is a photo of Poindexter's house.
http://eyeball-series.org/tia-eyeball.htm
 

[Erin]

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[Bill St. Clair]

Google Maps doesn't have the resolution of the USGS, but type in "10 Barrington Fare, Rockville, MD", the address from the eyeballing page, click the "Satellite" link, and go to full resolution, and you'll see very nearly the same resolution image as on the eyeballing page.

One of the advantages of living in the boonies is that Google Maps doesn't, yet, have high res satellite images there.

[Loxosceles_Reclusa]

(For example, when fundamentalist Christians get worked up over something, well you can just bet that there's going to be some serious action on that.)

Honestly, I'm a little surprised they haven't been jumping up and down about this. The only thing I can guess is it's because beloved Brother Bush, who they think is a fellow fundamentalist, is telling them it isn't the Mark of the Beast they all fear from those Tim LaHaye books.

Everytime some fundamentalist tells me what a wonderful, godly man Bush is, I tell 'em I think he's the Antichrist.

In fact, perhaps we could make a database of our own with all of these people's personal information, and then have icons all link back to it. They might be captioned something like, "Larry, You're in Our Database".

Yep, turn around would only be fair for those politicians...and fun.  

 This -- the complacency on the part of Christians  -- has been puzzling me too.

 My own mother -- who is a big fan of those "Left Behind" books (I am not a fan) -- became enraged with me for even bringing up the isssue of the national I.D. card up at all. And she said smugly even if it *is* the Mark of the Beast, or the last stop before that, there will *always* be ways for the Christians to still be able to buy and sell essential goods and services.

 "Maybe." I said. "Until they get caught."

 To get the word out, we've got to keep the message simple and to the point -- short and sweet.

 Something like "M.O.B In May '08" on signs and billboards everywhere, and on t-shirts and bumper stickers. "M.O.B." standing for "Mark Of the Beast," of course. If it is being whispered (or even joked about and scoffed at) everywhere, it might start to soak in.

 BTW, I'm not convinced that you can just bet there's going to be serious action on something when the fundamentalist Christians get worked up over something.

  Bush has made some *noises* they liked about abortion and gay marriage (the only issues they really get worked up about -- they are indifferent or even hostile to freedom in general, as long as abortion and homosexuals can be stamped out). But what has Bush really *done* about it? All the abortion mills grind on apace. Same-sex marriage may have run into some temporary snags, but it ain't dead.

 Lox

[A Nonny Mouse]

There's one set of people who this will not effect and I wonder how the gumint is going to handle them. Who am I talking about? Why the Amish ofcourse. They are not allowed to operate cars. Will they have to get ID cards for their horses?

BTW I believe they also don't have SS numbers or regular bank accounts like us.

Cat

I live in a state with a good-sized Amish population. This state has just passed a law requiring government-issued photo ID for anyone wanting to vote in an election. I believe that the Amish were not exempted entirely but are allowed to have a version without the photo. (How's that for a CYA move: require a government ID to vote, that way those who oppose the ID can't vote you out of office) The ACLU is fighting the new law by saying that it disenfrancises the poor and the elderly. Even though the state will offer a "free" ID Card, the documentation required to obtain one (such as a certified copy of your birth certificate) may be cost-prohibitive to some. It's also biased against those without a permanent address who can't use utility bills as a form of documentation. You also must apply in person, which is difficult for the elderly/shut-ins.

I'm guessing that many of us here don't vote anyway (I don't), but perhaps these arguements could be used against Real ID in general.

You are correct Cat, the Amish are exempt from Social Security. I've seen several horse-and-buggies tied up in front of the local bank, but they may have belonged to Mennonites rather than Amish.

[Bear]

I like the billboard idea. Go for the emotional punch without using the word Nazi.
Use black and white photos for impact.

#1 A picture of children liberated from a concentration camp showing their tattooed ID
numbers on their skinny fore-arms. Caption: They had ID.

#2. An officer inspects a woman's papers on the street in some nameles european city.
Behind the officer stands a storm trooper with his machine gun at port-arms.

Caption:

REAL ID didn't help the Jews,
   or the other Germans,
   or the French,
   or the Poles,
   or the Chechs,
   or the Danes,
   or the Armenians,
   or the Tutsis,
   or
(fade to black)


A companion piece to the black and white photo of the woman, officer and storm trooper.

Compose the same scene, with actors who resemble the real people in the black and white photo.
This one is in color, as it's modern times.

Caption: Got ID?

Bear