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Vydunas

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« on: May 24, 2005, 12:56:17 pm »

Re: http://www.clairewolfe.com/wolfesblog/00001418.html

I remember a long time ago (early 80s?), before widespread GPS, there was an article in Reason on how to user-price private highways, and about how a nifty little black-box type gismo could keep track of whose roads you drove on and at what time. Obviously they didn't think of the user base of government roads. Now we have black boxes, On-Star, states like Oregon trying to tax by the mile. Yes, Reason showed us the path to freedom!
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« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2005, 03:01:26 pm »

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Re: http://www.clairewolfe.com/wolfesblog/00001418.html

I remember a long time ago (early 80s?), before widespread GPS, there was an article in Reason on how to user-price private highways, and about how a nifty little black-box type gismo could keep track of whose roads you drove on and at what time. Obviously they didn't think of the user base of government roads. Now we have black boxes, On-Star, states like Oregon trying to tax by the mile. Yes, Reason showed us the path to freedom!
Funny, I remember that article. Even though I was all hot for the "privatization" notion at that time (believing -- stupidly -- that it was a form of "gradualism" on the road to freedom), I remember reading that vision of roads tracking traffic and having my first really uneasy feeling about Reason.  
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« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2005, 04:40:20 pm »

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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2005, 11:12:50 am »

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Funny, I remember that article. Even though I was all hot for the "privatization" notion at that time (believing -- stupidly -- that it was a form of "gradualism" on the road to freedom), I remember reading that vision of roads tracking traffic and having my first really uneasy feeling about Reason.
Well, you got to The Clue Store a lot sooner than I did, then. "It'll be a company running it; THEY wouldn't do anything to compromise privacy, would they?" We never dreamed then of a Department of Homeland Security (hey, that's what the Army was for!), let alone Larry Ellison osculating its derriere. And I had no clue then as to what the Devil Box and its associated Internet would do for better and worse for the flow of information.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2005, 12:36:50 pm »

Oh, fear not. My hard-bought Clue is often defective, broken, or lost in the mail.

In fact, I was thinking about that little lament I wrote that inspired you to start this thread ...

When I was young -- and much smarter but less Clueful than I am now -- I believed that the only really good philosophy would be one that no adherent could muck up. It would be so clear in its rightness that nobody who adopted it could distort its principles, no matter what their life experiences or psychological make-up. (Did I mention just exactly how bad my Lack of Clue really was, back then? I also believed in the perfectability of mankind ... and expected it would take maybe another 200 years.)

Now it's obvious that if one person actually somehow managed to invent the World's One True Great Philosophy, the second person to adopt it would completely screw it up. (For every Jesus, a Paul quickly comes along with his own quite different, or even contrary, agenda.)

It's silly of me to be surprised that the worst sort of power-mongering statists could turn "privatization" into a means of gaining more centralized control. But there it is. Hope still overrides Clue at times. And then ya wake up and go *&^%$#@!
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2005, 03:14:50 pm »

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Now it's obvious that if one person actually somehow managed to invent the World's One True Great Philosophy, the second person to adopt it would completely screw it up. (For every Jesus, a Paul quickly comes along with his own quite different, or even contrary, agenda.)

   This is the really sad thing. Even if/when the time comes to shoot the bastids, it is highly likely that when the dust settles we would be at least no better off than now, and quite likely much worse off.  The American Revolution was an anomaly--the more usual pattern is that of the French Revolution, where a lot of people get butchered and a very repressive state takes over in the name of idealogical purity. I seriously doubt that you could ever get any sizeable population to live by libertarian-type principles--the temptation to "do good" is just too great.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2005, 01:35:35 am »

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« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2005, 09:20:04 am »

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When I was young -- and much smarter but less Clueful than I am now -- I believed that the only really good philosophy would be one that no adherent could muck up.
Oh, they exist. But the people who muck them up aren't True Adherents.  ;)  
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