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David

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« on: February 06, 2004, 08:21:13 am »


 This is the story, of the Spokane free speech fight of 1910.


In 1910, the west was an economic magnet, Logging, Mining, Wheat harvest ect
Spokane was of course a a boom town.
well the way it worked was that workers would come on into town, find a flop house, then head on down to Trent, where they would find business called "labor sharks" who for a fee of 4$ they would sell a man a job, well the man would head out to the job, in the wheat fields, or maybe the mines, any way the man would work a month, get paid and then get fired. why fired? Well the job foremen, got kick backs from the labor sharks, they called it perpetual motion, one job three men,
One on his way to the job, one man working the job and one man on his way  back.
Well needless to say this system was not real popular with the workers, into town comes the IWW
 Now I know that some of you just jumped up and screamed THE IWW, THEY"RE  A BUNCHA COMMIE"S!! Well that's true enough, but in 1910 they  were among the few who fought for rights, any way  to this day I'll still say the IWW has probably done more for freedom than the republicans, the democrats, the Libertarian party and the NRA combined , (blasphemy? sure, but so what? it's true)
 Well anyway the IWW sets up hiring halls all around the west, needless to say the labor sharks and the employers didn't like this, so they did what all business men do when workers demand rights, they  call on the government, after all, negotiation on equal footing, is just too un-American.
So the Spokane  police go  and tear down the IWW hall, well that's not gonna stop, a bunch of radical communist now is it? They just set up on Trent street, standing on soap boxes (Yes literally)
Well the good government of Spokane can't have that can they? So just as quick as you could say patriot act, the city of Spokane outlawed free speech, yes it's true, the only ones allowed to speak freely on the street were the salvation army .
But as the IWW says the government didn't give them free speech, so the government can't take it away (yes really).
So they call every supporter they can find, people were arriving by the freight train full (yes really).
The first morning there was an 8 block line to get up on the IWW soap box, one man even said "where's that damn cop it's cold out here" any  way the Spokane police arrest every one who gets up on the soap box, well pretty  soon the city jail is full, and the line just keeps getting longer...
so the cops they just keep arresting, every man who step up on that soap box, and before dinner that first day the County jail is full two, this goes on through the night, some men stood in line three days to speak on that soap box.
Every  school, every city ball field, every city park is full of prisoners, and the men just keep coming, some arrested men even had to be locked up at the police chiefs, and the mayors house,
now of course the city of Spokane has to feed all these men.
Well the tax paying citizens of Spokane start their own protest at that, after all why do they want to spend there money feeding a bunch of boomers, plus of course there were no workers (they were all in jail or standing in line to get on that soap box)
So the city of Spokane caved in, repelled their anti free speech law and let all the boomers go.

Now think about his for a while, a major change happened the government backed down, and was forced to respect their rights of the men, and no ballots were cast, no judge issued a writ, no political parties, just a group of men who exercised their rights.
 
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suijurisfreeman

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« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2004, 09:01:59 am »

Precisely, by exercising your rights you defend them!  Back in 1994-5 I tried an tried to convince others in Hillsale County, Michigan to stand up for their rights, but no, most of them ran away after Jean Ventura and I were arrested.  I was in their face big time.  Hell after their 2 minute trial on January 10, 1995 I along with 20 plus other protesters demonstrated in front of the Hillsdale District courthouse for a week or more.  One of the signs that I carried read, "Judge Sanderson, you think I need a license to drive, where's your license to practice law?"  He had already issued another warrant for my arrest but didn't have the police serve it on me until I went into his courtroom on February 21,1995 to help my oldest son.
I've been trying to tell people for over 10 years now that being part of the political process isn't the answer, withdraw your consent, live your life as a free Human Being inspite of their BS!
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Lark

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« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2004, 10:48:02 am »

For my two cents,

the IWW or groups like them, have done a hell of a lot more for some kind of authentic socialism too,

while all the social democrats, marxists etc., even people labelling themselves anarchists or libertarian socialists, where by degrees making excuses for big government, thinking up reasons for bigger government or trying to find a well paid niche for themselves in said big government, people like the IWW where thinking seriously about how on the ground, by themselves people could do something,

they walked the walk rather than simply talking the talk,

I stopped frequenting commie sites when it became blatantly clear to me that all the talk about impending crisis, doom, collapse etc. was a waste of time because no one was talking about what provision, preparation etc. to make against the day,

the fact is if your hurt in an industrial accident or maybe gored by an animal, it's more likely that the neighbourhood libertarian or survivalist, if they are serious and not some moronic gun junkie, will have the some first aid knowledge, a first aid kit and medical supplies to deal with the immediate situation, whereas the neighbourhood member of the revolutionary marxist workers party or whatever wont, personally I've also found that libertarian friends are more altruistic or generous than your average commie and some, though not all, can accept sincere differences about, say corporate power, co-operative enterprise, the money system or welfare recipients, quicker than your average dialectical materialist can accept differences about their politics,

Cheers,

Lark
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« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2004, 02:39:31 pm »

Actually..... syndicalist anarchists, and other real anarchists have a name for the communist/socialist crowd..... they refer to them as State-Capitalists. Instead of a single plutocrat getting in bed with the government to oppress the workers, the government simply cuts out the plutocrat-middleman, and assumes complete ownership of the factories. The workers soon learn that having the State screw up their lives is even worse than some asshole using his State-purchased privileges to screw up their lives.

The IWW spent a lot of blood to create our right to choose not to sell our labor to the richist asshole in town. I'll not say anything bad about them. If you want to see how the IWW turned the establishment in Seattle upside down, take a good look here.

The libertarian, anacap, and anarchist movements are much closer to each other in goals then most folks realize..... I would like to see all such folks stop arguing about what economic system is likely to spontaniously form in the absence of coercion .... and start dealing with State coercion.

But as usual ... we are our own worst enemies........
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David

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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2004, 04:41:44 pm »

while all the social democrats, marxists etc., even people labelling themselves anarchists or libertarian socialists, where by degrees making excuses for big government, thinking up reasons for bigger government or trying to find a well paid niche for themselves in said big government, people like the IWW where thinking seriously about how on the ground, by themselves people could do something

they walked the walk rather than simply talking the talk,


Very well stated Lark,


The IWW spent a lot of blood to create our right to choose not to sell our labor to the richest asshole in town. I'll not say anything bad about them. If you want to see how the IWW turned the establishment in Seattle upside down, take a good look here.


Yes very true as well, Kbarrett,
and I am familiar with the 1919 Seattle strike

I have always thought that libertarians could learn a lot from the labor movement
It is a shame that many liberty types draw line in the sand and refuse to work with anyone who varies from their own view of liberty, this is nit a recipe for success! :(
 
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2004, 08:11:18 am »

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Actually..... syndicalist anarchists, and other real anarchists have a name for the communist/socialist crowd..... they refer to them as State-Capitalists.

I actually think that there has been no other system other than state capitalism in human history, markets and capitalist enterprise (not to be confused with free enterprise) where only accepted in Britain once the fuedalistic governing structure found out it could increase their tax revenue and military budgets, where the government wasnt big or powerful to begin with it became that way over time, in part as a result of national rivalry and patriotism,

What is in fact the truth is a kind of inversion of marxism, the government is not the executive committee of the ruling class, the government is the ruling class and everyone else is a member of an intermediate class after that between them and the underclass,

Cheers,

Lark
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David

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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2004, 04:43:37 am »

Lark,
That is quite true, the system we have today is closer to feudalism than capitalism (or even socialism)
Even the term outlaw is quietly reverting back to it's original definition
 
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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2004, 04:18:45 pm »

Lark, check out my comments regarding anarcho-syndicalism on the Mozilla / welcome back lox thread.

Syndicalism requires other philosophies to do the work, so the syndicalists can then take over the running of already existing infrastructure. It's a totally second-hander "philosophy" that can only exist if there is loot to be scooped.

'nuff said.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2004, 04:34:45 pm »

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Lark, check out my comments regarding anarcho-syndicalism on the Mozilla / welcome back lox thread.

Syndicalism requires other philosophies to do the work, so the syndicalists can then take over the running of already existing infrastructure. It's a totally second-hander "philosophy" that can only exist if there is loot to be scooped.

'nuff said.

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I disagree.

You don't have to take over anything..... you need only decide to ostracize folks who attempt to force adoption of labor practices you feel are unfair.

If it weren't for those "second handers", as you call them, you would still be working sunup to sundown six days a week, and factory owners would still be paying thugs and local cops to hunt down and kill anyone who even suggests that a strike may be in order.

Anarchists leave "sieze the means of production" rhetoric to communists and other State-Capitalists. Our tendency is to simply fold our arms and stop working for the obnoxious.



 
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2004, 10:14:39 am »

I think in general syndicalists are much like anarcho-marketeers or anarchists in general, you get good ones, you get bad ones, there are cranks, crazies and killers in every walk of life,

The copy of rudolf rocker's "nationalism and culture" which I have has a foreword by an american anarcho-individualist/marketeer and he discribes having similar apprehensions about syndicalists until encountering Rocker's work and deciding there was not so great a divide between their positions,

There are syndicalists who wish to seize the fields, factories and workshops ("means of production") in a kind of non-governmental coup and I believe that this is what's worrying you, well, there is the evidence from history, for instance in spain small holders or resident farmers where not coerced into join collective farms by anarchos or syndicalists during their civil war as they where by marxists during Stalin's collective farm era, there is also the evidence from theory, such as Tuckers reply to the Henry George's single taxers,

All in all if you are going to replace one syndicate with another you want to make sure that the substitute is no worse than the one that exists, I mean at a time joint stock companies and corporatism where believed to be progressive and good for their individual and society (ie, the individuals neighbours),

I am interested in the ideas of GP Maximoff, Rudolf Rocker, D A De Santillan on an alternative way of planning the economy to the different varieties of state capitalism, more recently Participatory Economics, if it could be wrested from the potential authoritarians who have developed it,

commies have tended to overemphasis production and the producers sovereignty, fair enough that is important but consumer sovereignty is just as important too because we cant always be making things, can we?    
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