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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #60 on: January 26, 2006, 08:55:39 pm »

Argh, my copy of B's GB just arrived at my house.
Sucky part: I'm in Florida for the next couple weeks or so.
Ah, but my lovely bride is shipping a care package to West Palm, where I'll be able to pick it up,
and have much material for to read. Ahhhhhh.


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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #61 on: January 26, 2006, 09:06:45 pm »

I think we'll have to free ourselves down here first, because we otherwise won't
be allowed to leave the planet.  Heck, I can't even fly to Memphis, much less Madrid,
without government permission/papers.  Imagine what'll be required for Mars.

Every successful society has had to have someplace to send its malcontents,  Otherwise the civil stresses they cause turn inward and tear the state apart.  Ever wonder why Vicente Fox fights so hard to keep the US border "open"?  It is beacause if he couldn't keep sending his problems North, he'd have a revolution on his hands in less than two years.  The Soviet Union tried the Iron Wall approach and, despite the best efforts of Western Liberalism,  it lasted only about 60 years.

Maybe we can convince the government that terraforming Mars is the 21st Century equivalent of Botany Bay.
Mystical man values human life.  Rational man values the ability to value human life.
--Stephen Carville

Atheist   n.   A person to be pitied in that he is unable to believe things for which there is no evidence, and who has thus deprived himself of a convenient means of feeling superior to others
-- Chaz Bufe, The American Heretics Dictionary


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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #62 on: January 26, 2006, 10:40:40 pm »

[quote author=Boston T. Party link=topic=7427.msg103624#msg103624 d

This is why I do not believe that humans will ever achieve a truly
lasting freedom, neither on Earth nor in outer space. I do not
believe in that one doctrine which communists and libertarians
share: the secular perfectability of man.

I even doubt much room for mere improvement.


BTP,  Chesterton tackled this at length.  Which Bastiat writings?  Carp

Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle--George Washington


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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2006, 08:59:38 am »

Heck, I can't even fly to Memphis, much less Madrid, without government permission/papers.  Imagine what'll be required for Mars.

Off-planet emigration does have one thing going for it that normal travel doesn't - it's a one-time, one-way trip. All you have to do is make it once, and there's nothing the feds can do to you.
And Tomlinson took up the tale and spoke of his good in life.
"O this I have read in a book," he said, "and that was told to me,
"And this I have thought that another man thought of a Prince in Muscovy."
The good souls flocked like homing doves and bade him clear the path,
And Peter twirled the jangling Keys in weariness and wrath.
"Ye have read, ye have heard, ye have thought," he said, "and the tale is yet to run:
"By the worth of the body that once ye had, give answer—what ha' ye done?"


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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2006, 01:05:35 pm »

On that note, do you consider our American Revolution an immoral event?
No, but I also don't consider it a revolution. It was a war for independence.

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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2006, 05:19:09 pm »

from enemyofthestate:
Maybe we can convince the government that terraforming Mars is the 21st Century equivalent of Botany Bay.
A fine idea, but I think they are convinced of their own near-omnipotence,
and thus our inability to effectively resist future enslavement--thus, they will
more likely jail/kill us instead of letting us flee.  Besides, if we were allowed to
colonize space, they'd run the risk of us becoming a powerful threat.

I'd bet they subscribe to this:

"An opinion can be argued with; a conviction is best shot."
    -- T.E. Lawrence

Ian, if they let us leave just this once, they could envision having to deal with
us decades from now.  I think it will all be decided here, and probably within
our own lifetimes.  Continue to hope for interplanetary migration if you must,
but keep training with your battle



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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2006, 06:42:35 pm »

Perhaps everyone's trying to bite off more than they can fit in their mouthes.

A state's a pretty big place; millions of people of every type, nearly all conditioned by this society for the roles assigned to them, one way or another.  Almost none of them could conceive of what Freedom truly is-because they still think themselves free in a very opulant yet controlled socialist society.  Used to being adult-sized children, they mentally go TILT when some stranger starts talking about throwing away driver's licenses, plates, carrying M-14's...

...How many Libertarians are in Congress?  The state houses?  Not many.  How effective are they?  Not at all, because they diffuse their power.

You diffuse your power, your example when you try liberating a state with your meager numbers.

Try concentrating your numbers on a county, or better yet a town.

*Find one with good basic natural resources, some defensibility, a diverse economy.  This town should have a more inept version of the run of the mill socialist dem-pub model that's turned everyone off from politics. 

*Take over this community, and make it a example.  Do everything possible under state and federal law to repeal all the taxes, regulations.  Devote a large percentage of your efforts to marketing this Free Community... because there isn't a working real-life model of one Americans can cross-compare with the "lives" they currently live.

*IF you're successful, then have your people and your converts move to adjacant communities, use the same operating model to take them over, liberate them. 

Take over enough towns you control a county.

Take over enough counties, you can isolate and nullify the political power of the major cities in the state.  The hinterlands can go head to head politically with the metropolis IF THEY ARE UNITED.  Perhaps even the cities can be won over, except for the major ones like Chicago, Los Angeles, NY.

Take over that state... there's your New Hampshire, your Wyoming.  You'll have eager "colonists" moving to adjacant states, converting towns, counties, cities, states.  You want Free State, you gotta concentrate on a community you can take over, win and SUCCESSFULLY LIBERATE and MARKET to the American People.

Make a working example-otherwise you might as well be talking about string theory to the average overworked, overweight, overstressesd 'murkan who just wants his TV and barbecue because he can't seem to get anything else.


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Re: Dear Claire,
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2006, 07:31:00 am »

I don't want to "take over" an area. I want to live in a voluntary society. I want to get the government off my back.

I would like to see NH seceed. :mellow:
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