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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2005, 08:12:56 am »

As for airplanes, there are some certificated engines which will run on diesel. Of course, turbines will already use it. (look up the theilert diesels now being used on the Diamond Twinstar).
As an airplane mechanic, however, I would NOT recommend using WVO in an aircraft unless you are a highly educated engineer with fuel, engine, and especially aviation experience. There are environmental factors involved which vary greatly compared to a ground vehicle, and pulling over for an engine malfunction is a pain, so you have to be vurra picky about your fuel.
If ya do try it, and survive, I'd love to hear the details.
I think, after some testing, I'd be fine with running biodiesel in an aircraft (and you can still process it at home).
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2005, 09:52:36 am »

I kinda got a kick out of the Mack truck that ran off veggie oil from the Greasel site.  They claimed 245,000 miles since the conversion and 23,000 gallons of veggie oil.  If the math is strong with me today, that's only about 10.5 MPG, but big trucks like that don't get great fuel economy anyway, so I doubt he's much worse off than running straight diesel.
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2005, 10:45:40 am »

6mpg is about average for a loaded 18 wheeler with a load on. The best I averaged in my Peterbuilt 372 was about 9mpg, with a moderate load heading from OKC to Houston.
Steep terrain and heavy loads take quite a toll.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2005, 08:40:50 pm »

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As for airplanes, there are some certificated engines which will run on diesel. Of course, turbines will already use it. (look up the theilert diesels now being used on the Diamond Twinstar).
As an airplane mechanic, however, I would NOT recommend using WVO in an aircraft unless you are a highly educated engineer with fuel, engine, and especially aviation experience. There are environmental factors involved which vary greatly compared to a ground vehicle, and pulling over for an engine malfunction is a pain, so you have to be vurra picky about your fuel.
If ya do try it, and survive, I'd love to hear the details.
I think, after some testing, I'd be fine with running biodiesel in an aircraft (and you can still process it at home).

I would have to agree with you.  Jet A, JP-8, etcetera; are basically refined kerosene.  Although WVO would probably work in a lot of jet engines I would consider it last resort and would be very eyes open for potential emergency landing sites if I was flying with it. 

I wouldn't have a problem putting Jet A in my diesel truck nor would I have any problem using WVO in the other vehicles/engines listed.  I think it is a great idea.  I personally would enjoy more exhaust that smelled like french fries or sweet and sour chicken.
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2005, 10:41:22 pm »

Velojym Hi.  While I do share some of your concerns about using WVO in aircraft. As a A&P I do know a little about the fuel systems that are in use, both for jets and props. The same feelings and concerns were thrown about in the 1980's about auto gas. Now you need a STC to use it in a certificated airplane.  The use of WVO will in all likelyhood be use in experimental aircraft only, which means if you build it, you can do just about anything you want. As long as you are not going to be carrying any one else with you. If you read some of the other web sites, you will see that filtering the WVO reaaaaaal good is the key to it's success.
 
Another diesel engine that is very promising is the DeltaHawk engine.


With all the talk of meeting each other I'd like to throw this one out there.

The EAA (Experimental Aircraft Association) has a big shin dig in July up here in WI.
There is a small airport just west of Oshkosh that lets people camp for free. It's were I usually go to camp when I go. maybe next year we can plan to meet. 

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I sure hope I can get up there someday. Last time, my company couldn't spare me... I was the only mech available for the rental fleet.
I'm not saying it'll never fly. It's just something I'll let someone else risk first.
I'm currently researching plans. My dream plane is the Bearhawk, but I'll likely do a Murphy Rebel or something first. The Bearhawk, I think, would be a great candidate for diesel.
The Theilerts have one minor problem, IMO, in that there's no overhaul interval in the States yet. Merely replacement. At Central, that's not so much a problem as it's how we do it anyway. I just replaced the Conti IO-230s in a couple of Katanas. No overhaul... ship it off.
If I can do that li'l fly-in, I'll try to remember to let ya know. I'm kinda sorry I missed this one, as it had a few features I'd like to have seen.
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2005, 09:34:05 pm »

There are also aeroplane-boats-- not an airplane with pontoons, but a boat with wings. Not big, so not much of a gulching platform, but can be useful for very rural, lake- or swamp-infested areas. More like using an ultralight for unusual transport needs.
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2005, 09:58:28 pm »

Ground effect vehicles. Tres cool, and I'd love to play with the idea someday.

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0130.shtml
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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2005, 10:00:25 pm »

YESSS!!!!!!!!!!

I've loved WIG aircraft for a while, especially the Flarecraft or Lippisch styled ones like you pictured.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2005, 10:38:29 pm »

Keen!



Enough room for a gulchin' family :-)
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2007, 08:53:39 am »

Saw this and thought that it might be of use to the handy gulcher. Both the the videos from the news reports are pretty cool for those with DSL/T1 capability.

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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2007, 12:18:41 pm »

Looking over my own post I see that I forgot about boats.

I'm thinking How hard is it to make Vegetable oil?

Devildog

A marine diesel engine is the same as a truck, tractor or stationary diesel application with the exception that cooling is by heat exchanger using the outside liquid as the cooling medium [the Ocean or Lake] instead of the outside air.

I have no idea on how to make vegetable oil so I have no idea of how hard it is or would be.

Saw this and thought that it might be of use to the handy gulcher. Both the the videos from the news reports are pretty cool for those with DSL/T1 capability.

How to build Moonbeam: The 100 mpg microcar

ND

I thought the link to his 1975 Pike's Peak climb in an electric Volts-Vagen was pretty cool.
Given the advances in battery technology these might be getting closer to actual usefulness.
Mount solar panels on the top and allow that to "help" recharge the batteries while you are parked at work or shopping.
Best in the southern "Sun-Belt" region obviously.  The northern and mountainous regions would Probably Be Better Served with WVO or Biodiesel.

Is anyone still doing research into the home manufacturing of methane fuel ?
Stinky stuff BUT it burns quite well and the need for a NEW engine design is reduced or eliminated. (?)
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2007, 07:49:55 am »

Is anyone still doing research into the home manufacturing of methane fuel ?
Stinky stuff BUT it burns quite well and the need for a NEW engine design is reduced or eliminated. (?)

I'm interested in this fuel and have done some reading of it's manufacture. Many years ago Mother Earth news did articles on using methane fuel. I have a book that was published by Mother Earth news on making methane. Looks much easier than making bio or veggie fuel. Plan on giving it a try when I get my house finished.

BTW, only the raw product is stinky. The methane gas itself is orderless, just like natural gas, until it's perfumed with mercapant (sp?).

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P.S. Velojym, there is a hovercraft that you can build that uses ground effect. It's a two person vehicle. www.hovercraft.com
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2007, 09:11:50 pm »

Looking over my own post I see that I forgot about boats.

I'm thinking How hard is it to make Vegetable oil?

Devildog

A marine diesel engine is the same as a truck, tractor or stationary diesel application with the exception that cooling is by heat exchanger using the outside liquid as the cooling medium [the Ocean or Lake] instead of the outside air.

I have no idea on how to make vegetable oil so I have no idea of how hard it is or would be.



Saw this and thought that it might be of use to the handy gulcher. Both the the videos from the news reports are pretty cool for those with DSL/T1 capability.

How to build Moonbeam: The 100 mpg microcar

ND

I thought the link to his 1975 Pike's Peak climb in an electric Volts-Vagen was pretty cool.
Given the advances in battery technology these might be getting closer to actual usefulness.
Mount solar panels on the top and allow that to "help" recharge the batteries while you are parked at work or shopping.
Best in the southern "Sun-Belt" region obviously.  The northern and mountainous regions would Probably Be Better Served with WVO or Biodiesel.

Is anyone still doing research into the home manufacturing of methane fuel ?
Stinky stuff BUT it burns quite well and the need for a NEW engine design is reduced or eliminated. (?)

Fuel oils-Olive press? some oils are a squeeze away, peanuts, sunflower seeds, safflowers, (soybeans too, I think) would probably squeeze and produce oil.

Mother earth news ran an article on how to do this from your septic tank.  It is in a thread on here, I forget what key word you might use, but it is around here probably in gulching.
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Re: The Perfect Gulch Vehicle
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2007, 11:45:48 pm »

Don't those presses for the oils other than olive require a pretty intense pressure to work ?
It would seem to me to require a lot of "whatever vegetable" to get any quantity. (?)

I'll look for the methane thread. thanks.

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