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[dogsledder54]

I don't know if this should go in "Moles", "Ghosts", or where, and I originally posted it in another area, but, I need help. This state is changing plates in january, so I need to find a state where i can license it for a lower cost. Is there a state that does not charge so much to license a new car ?  I know that i would need to go there and have a local address, but that can be done.

[DTOM]

Try North Carolina.

[dogsledder54]

Thanks. I'll check it out.

[syphon6wy]

wy is cheap if you are anywhere close.

[ÆNEMA]

Tennessee Facts
   There is no State Income Tax in Tennessee.
   There is no Personal Property Tax on personally owned vehicles.
   Vehicle registration and insurance is very low in Bradley County, TN.

Vehicle Registration Fees
   Personal Vehicles    $24.00/year
   Travel Trailers    $14.75/year
   Motorhomes    $24.00/year

Some counties have a wheel tax of $60. But thats $60 total not $60+$24

[irv]

I don't know if this should go in "Moles", "Ghosts", or where, and I originally posted it in another area, but, I need help. I bought a new 2005 Chevy Aveo this year. My '87 Jimmy just needed too much to keep going. Anyway, it will cost me $1000-$1400 to license it, most of it in sales tax. (Say $700 in sales tax, and $300-$700 in property tax). Where I live, sales tax applies to the $12,000 the car cost, since I did not trade anything in. This state is changing plate colors in january, so I need to find a state where i can license it for a lower cost. Is there a state that does not charge so much to license a new car ?  I know that i would need to go there and have a local address, but that can be done.

Just some advice: in many states (I'll use Georgia) you have 30 days after establishing residence to register your vehicle in that state. Establishing residence means renting an apartment, buying a house, etc.
There are penalties if you don't. Military and students are exempt.
And yes, they do sometimes check.

[dogsledder54]

as posted in another thread, a certain "flat" state now has flat, printed, not stamped-out, license plates. A hobbyist could make their own "novelty" plates themselves instead of buying the "official" novelty plates.

[Jeffersoniantoo]

I think Indiana is now using a flat plate, as well...

Now my personal experiment.

A few years ago, I bought a used 1980 Suburban.  I didn't register or insure it.  I took a dealers ad plate and painted it white.  Then I put my ham callsign on it like on a vanity plate.  At the top, I put "The Free State" (at the time I was an FSP proponent and if you use a state of the union, you are techinically and leagally commiting fraud, by falsifying state documentation).  At the bottom I put "Amateur Radio", much like the callsign plates you see around.  I drove this vehicle for 2 1/2 years that way, all over Florida, many times to Miami, Tampa, once to Key West, mainly around southwest Florida (Fort Myers, Naples).  I drove it to a protest in Montgomery Alabama and parked it in front of the state capital, on the street, for three days in a row (there was a police station two blocks down, in front of the Supreme Court building).  I drove it to Georgia.  I had police cars pass, follow, slow down and look, stop behind me at stop lights, and one that follwed me through a McDonalds drive through (in his jurisdiction).  I never was pulled over or questioned.

I have become a big fan of the "hide-in-plain-site" philosophy.  I no longer believe in licensing at all.  It is just another tax, and completely avoidable in most areas.  I own no currently licensed vehicles.  I am on my last DL, which I will let expire without renewal.

Take a look around, next time you are out driving.  See how many vehicles you can count that have no tags, expired tags, non-working lights, etc...  I now see them everyday, and believe that enforcement of such things is a back burner item for most police departments.  Unless you are actually being dangerous they will ignore you, for the most part.

DISCLAIMER: Your results may vary. 

[pilgrim]

Here's an interesting alternative:

http://www.embassyofheaven.com/catalog/licensby.htm

I'd go for it, but the little woman doesn't have enough Faith! Also, I'd probably fabricate my own plates, cutting out the worldly bureaucrats/alms seekers!

[Roy J. Tellason]

I never was pulled over or questioned.

Amazing.

Take a look around, next time you are out driving.  See how many vehicles you can count that have no tags, expired tags, non-working lights, etc...  I now see them everyday, and believe that enforcement of such things is a back burner item for most police departments.  Unless you are actually being dangerous they will ignore you, for the most part.

Where?

DISCLAIMER: Your results may vary. 

No doubt about that!  Around here there's no way they're gonna pass up a chance at revenue...

On top of all of the rest of the crap we're dealing with I'm looking at $284 in fines involving library materials (!) that I neither took out nor had any knowledge of having been taken out,  a deed done by a couple of my grandkids.  And my other half is also looking at fines,  for crossing the railroad tracks after the train had passed,  the gate had already gone up,  but the lights had not stopped flashing quite yet.  Grr...!

I know of someone who has not had a license for a great many years now.  Got away with it for quite a while,  too. He was involved in a couple of minor accidents,  fender-benders at worst,  and neither one his fault.  Yet the insurance companies put in a claim,  got a judgement,  and when they couldn't satisfy themselves on this _civil action_ they had his license pulled.  Now the state got in on it,  he can't get another license,  can't get one in another state either,  and can't resolve the situation because the insurance companies say that this case is so old that they no longer have any records of it.  So it seems that there's no easy way to resolve the situation.  Oh yeah,  and he got popped recently,  and ended up doing 30 days,  away from the family,  and putting up with an awful lot of BS.  Took close to a grand in fines being paid to get him out that quick,  or he might've been looking at six months instead.

[Jeffersoniantoo]

There were many times I thought the experiment would end badly.  I didn't know whether I would just get a citation, or a citation and the vehicle towed, or both of those plus a trip to the pokey.  The time in the drive-thru, I felt I had private property on my side, but he could have just waited until I was finished.  He was directly behind me for about ten minutes as we went through. 

Then there was the time I was downtown.  I had a pastor friend of mine, who is also anti-state, with me when we stopped at a stop light and two motorcycle cops stopped right behind and one lane over.  He was sure we were going to jail.  The light turned, we pulled away, the cops started up then pulled alongside and then past.  They did look in our vehicle as they went by, but that was it.

There was another time on the interstate, that one of them fast-pursuit, state Camero's came up from behind, pulled alongside, slowed down, dropped back, then accelerated past and pulled off in the median ahead of me.  I had normally been conducting the experiment with the county boys, and I knew that the state was the big registration and traffic laws enforcer, but again, he just sat there as I drove past his position.

I also had some trepidation when I went to Alabama and Georgia.  Not knowing what the enforcement would be like in a new jurisdiction left me feeling out of my element, so to speak.  And in Alabama I know I was observed by LE on at lest two occasions.

I think government spends most of its time making people afraid.  Once I lost that fear, I felt a lot more free.  Even now (in a new state), I continue to just not care.  If at some point I get pulled over, I will deal with the situation as the circumstances warrant.  I believe I hae solid legal arguments against needing to register or license myself or my vehicle, and I am in a position to be able to fight from jail or court the infringement of my rights. 

And I intend to do just that, if neccesary.  So far it hasn't been.

The only things you need to fear, you can't predict (like stumbling upon a rattlesnake, or a robbery, or a lawyer), so there is little point to being afraid all of the time.

 

[lodestar]

Maybe you inadvertently made your plate to match some unknown covert op. Which brings up an interesting point. Get a white pickup and fabricate exempt plates. Then if they run the number it will come up as another truck just like it and voila your a city worker! You would have to make sure you matched the appropriate mirror vehicle. That would even up the odds a bit for you. You could always claim your just a lowly cemetery temp told to go pick up some fertilizer.

[pilgrim]

Bumping this great thread back to the the top. Jeff2 makes great and germane points about the fear factor, also.

 I have never felt so free as driving WAL since I gave up being inherently afraid of being pulled over and jailed, going on 4 years now!

The vehicles remain registered, though, as they are "officially" property of little lady's.

[purple kitty]

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[Nedda of the Hill]

I guess it really all depends on where you're at.
I do carry insurance on my car; same company for about 21 years now.  They keep renewing it every 6 months and my tags and license have been out for quite a while now.  They (Allstate) have never said anything about it.

I've been considering getting the tags lately, simply because I'm often out in the middle of the night and sometimes in quite a hurry!  I haven't decided on it yet, and I don't have the $ to do it right now, anyway.   I absolutely will NOT get a new DL, however.  I have also considered forging my registration sticker.  TX stickers look pretty hokey and I think it would be fairly easy to do.  I just haven't taken the time to try it yet.