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Kirsten

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Subversion by Music
« on: March 20, 2006, 01:39:02 pm »

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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2006, 02:59:04 pm »

G'Day All

Whoa what a new/old idea you have brought to mind Kirsten. Are you old enough to remember the incredibly prolific output of freedom/protest songs from the 60's and 70's song writers and performers? Some of the people I remember are

Bob Dylan
Phil Ochs
Joan Baez
Buffy St. Marie
Tom Paxton
Simon and Garfunkel
Tom Leher
Jimi Hendrix

and so many more I mis-remember right know. The point being all were highly politicised, yes many from the so-called left of the political spectrum. However this does not detract from their primary concern, which was FREEDOM for every boy and girl, FREEDOM for you and me!

Some songs that resonate with me still are from the inimetable Bob Dylan

Blowin' In The Wind
A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall
Masters of War
The Times They Are a Changin'
Subterranean Homesick Blues
Dylan was of course from the so-called poetic school where he created myth, and poetry from which created his songs. Many of us at the time believed Dylan should be the Poet Laurate of the US.

Another singer, song writer I remember is a guy by the name of Phil Ochs, a journalist who wrote songs about our, then immediate realities we faced during those times. I still remember his signature release titled "All The News That's Fit To Sing" with such great songs as

Is There Anybody There
I Ain't Marchin' Anymore
There But For Fortune
Draft Dodger Rag
Power and Glory

Damn, as I type this tunes and singer/songwriters are swirling through my mind so fast I can't grasp them fast enough to get them all down.

During those times songs and music were indeed percieved as subversive by the mainstream media and TPTB as well as a majority of parents and Grand-Parents. They all thought the world was going to hell in a hand basket  :laugh: and all who loved the music were seriously deranged, in fact they believed we all should be medicated for our own good. :rolleyes: What they failed to understand at the beginning of all this "agitatin'" was the simple fact we were already medicated into an alternative reality, you see we believed we could "Change the World" and that concept scared the shit out of all the conservative/Liberal goons. Just to damn much FREEDOM going on!

Last song I will mention is from Jimi Hendrix, which I consider the ultimate freedom/protest song. I know many here will remember, those who were in Nam, sitting in a Hooch, smokeing a "dubbie" and a beer in hand would sing along to "All Along The Watchtower" and wonder what the fuck we were doing in that crazy place of death and destruction.

So let's do it, create a streaming audio/tape recorder or whatever to have freedon/protest songs on the boards as a freebie for all to listen too as we and our guests mull the ways to promote and achieve FREEDOM in our life times.

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Americus

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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2006, 08:47:56 pm »

Strange Fruit

PBS on Protest Music: Artists, songs, lyrics. 1776 to Now


"Visit these Web sites to hear the anti-war message music being created today:

"The Beastie Boys Web site featuring 'In A World Gone Mad'

"The Not in My Name Music Project, a collaboration of artists including Saul Williams/DJ Spooky, Coldcut and Dj Goo

"The John Mellencamp Web site featuring 'To Washington'

"The Lenny Kravitz Web site featuring 'We Want Peace'

"Downloadable MP3 collection at Protest-Records.com"
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Then also:

Political protest rock band. www.pokerface.com

Riotfolk - making folk a threat again. www.riotfolk.org

At the archives, Missing String Band's Ruby Ridge.


Or just google "Protest Music". Lots of mp3's.
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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2006, 10:43:24 pm »

A nice list of songs here...but, are they really songs that speak to Liberty? They speak to the anti-war sentiment but not to the anti-state/individualist.
The songs listed in the original list speak to something else.
Steve Earle-Copperhead Road
Sammy Hagar-I Can't Drive 55
Rush-Red Barchetta
Rush-Bravado
Rush-2112 Overture/The Temples of Syrinx/Discovery/Presentation/Oracle/The Dream/Soliloquy/Grand Finale
Roger Waters-The Tide Is Turning
Prism-Take Me To The Kaptin
Paul Kantner-The Mountain Song
Paul Kantner-The Sky Is No Limit
Aimee Allen-(I'd Start A) Revolution
Paul Kantner-Transubstantiation
Paul Kantner-Let's Go (Alternate Lyrics)

While anti-war and Liberty may go together I see a difference in them. Fostering the Liberty Mindset eliminates the war mindset given time.

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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2006, 11:54:27 pm »

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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2006, 12:01:26 am »

G'Day All

Whoa what a new/old idea you have brought to mind Kirsten. Are you old enough to remember the incredibly prolific output of freedom/protest songs from the 60's and 70's song writers and performers? Some of the people I remember are

Bob Dylan
Phil Ochs
Joan Baez
Buffy St. Marie
Tom Paxton
Simon and Garfunkel
Tom Leher
Jimi Hendrix

and so many more I mis-remember right know. The point being all were highly politicised, yes many from the so-called left of the political spectrum. However this does not detract from their primary concern, which was FREEDOM for every boy and girl, FREEDOM for you and me!

Wow,  now THERE are a bunch of names that I haven't thought of lately...!   :-)

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Some songs that resonate with me still are from the inimetable Bob Dylan

Blowin' In The Wind
A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall
Masters of War
The Times They Are a Changin'
Subterranean Homesick Blues
Dylan was of course from the so-called poetic school where he created myth, and poetry from which created his songs. Many of us at the time believed Dylan should be the Poet Laurate of the US.

Another singer, song writer I remember is a guy by the name of Phil Ochs, a journalist who wrote songs about our, then immediate realities we faced during those times. I still remember his signature release titled "All The News That's Fit To Sing" with such great songs as

Is There Anybody There
I Ain't Marchin' Anymore
There But For Fortune
Draft Dodger Rag
Power and Glory

Yeah,  I see this stuff and I can hear his voice in my head as I type this.

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Damn, as I type this tunes and singer/songwriters are swirling through my mind so fast I can't grasp them fast enough to get them all down.

During those times songs and music were indeed percieved as subversive by the mainstream media and TPTB as well as a majority of parents and Grand-Parents. They all thought the world was going to hell in a hand basket  :laugh: and all who loved the music were seriously deranged, in fact they believed we all should be medicated for our own good. :rolleyes: What they failed to understand at the beginning of all this "agitatin'" was the simple fact we were already medicated into an alternative reality, you see we believed we could "Change the World" and that concept scared the shit out of all the conservative/Liberal goons. Just to damn much FREEDOM going on!

And damned if I hadn't decided,  though the odds weren't real terrific,  that if they'd tried to send me "over there" I wasn't going!

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Last song I will mention is from Jimi Hendrix, which I consider the ultimate freedom/protest song. I know many here will remember, those who were in Nam, sitting in a Hooch, smokeing a "dubbie" and a beer in hand would sing along to "All Along The Watchtower" and wonder what the fuck we were doing in that crazy place of death and destruction.

Didja know that Dylan wrote (and performed) that one too?

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So let's do it, create a streaming audio/tape recorder or whatever to have freedon/protest songs on the boards as a freebie for all to listen too as we and our guests mull the ways to promote and achieve FREEDOM in our life times.

Regards,

Americus

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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2006, 08:58:20 am »

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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2006, 10:07:30 am »

Hi,
  I'm new here, but if you do remember some of the old songs, there are a few here http://friendshipvillage.homestead.com/Music.html . I stumbled on it awhile back. It has some Dylan, Seeger, Baez, Lennon, and a few more...oh yeah, and Tennessee Ernie Ford...

Bless your little pea pickin' hearts,
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2006, 10:30:56 am »

So if I want to publish a playlist to iMix, does that mean that I have to have a copy of the song itself in my iTunes library so that I can put it in a playlist?  Also, is there something we should all be naming our play lists to get them looked at?  I'm thinking if we call it "libertarian" something or other that is a good way to get it ignored, but if we call it "freedom" or "liberty' something or other (or something like that) that might get some attention.

I think you have to have the songs in order to create the playlist, which the iMix uses to publish.
http://www.apple.com/itunes/playlists/

The iMix instructions that show up in iTunes say that music which you rip from CD's won't be included, but that's only if they are unavailable in the music store. The Steve Earle, Rush and Sammy Tunes I listed came from CD's, I just retooled the titles to match iTunes...

There are quite a few iMixes that use Freedom in the title, about 20 or so that use Liberty (but they don't seem to have much to do with liberty...unless you're a Baptist Church). Picking a single title would be ideal in order to get everything gathered in a single spot.

Kirsten

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« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2006, 07:20:03 pm »

Well, I just checked and I have a version that is high enough to allow me to do this without upgrading.  Cool! 

I did a quick little search- is A Libertarian Liberty List yours?  I sense that rating or alphabetical order may have something to do with what order the search results are returned.
That was the first test list I put up. If we can flood iMix with something else I am all for it. I'm not sure what criteria they use for search returns, but filling up a section couldn't hurt!.

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« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2006, 11:43:27 pm »

Hi,
  I'm new here, but if you do remember some of the old songs, there are a few here http://friendshipvillage.homestead.com/Music.html . I stumbled on it awhile back. It has some Dylan, Seeger, Baez, Lennon, and a few more...oh yeah, and Tennessee Ernie Ford...

Bless your little pea pickin' hearts,
Wanda

Interesting stuff...

Now all I gotta do is figure out how to make my software deal with a .wma file,  whatever that is.
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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2006, 12:57:31 pm »

Having trouble getting .WMV, .WMA, and .ASF files - the Windows-based media formats - to open on your Linux box?

Add Windows media support to your Linux box
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2006, 11:50:41 pm »

Having trouble getting .WMV, .WMA, and .ASF files - the Windows-based media formats - to open on your Linux box?

Add Windows media support to your Linux box


Funny that the first thing they mention on that page is xine,  which I do have installed here,  but use for video-type stuff.  I guess trying to use xmms was kinda silly?  Anyhow,  I just tried it on the one file that I downloaded,  and sure enough it worked.

Now if I could just figure out how to get xmms to use the same codecs...

But _after_ I get some sleep!  :-)
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Re: Subversion by Music
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2006, 12:50:44 am »

I'm not sure if anyone here has read Claire and Aaron's "Out of the Grey Zone", but they also wrote the song, "Judgement Day" that accompanies the book, or you can download it from the Rebel Fire, website:

http://www.rebelfirerock.com/home.html

My favorite version is performed by Opium War and every metal-head that hears it wants to know if they ever plan on writing more! I listen to that song ten times a day. The book cover is my background at work with the words written onto it... get this, here's the best part... on a government computer!  :ph34r:

I really think that liberty music is the way to go, I like music, but I love music that sounds great and flips off those who wish to take my freedoms away all in less than a half note!

(I realize I'm a newbie, I'm just now finding time to spend blogging when I'm not so busy building rifles...)
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